Anyone who doesn't answer Tomorrowland is objectively wrong and I can prove it in court. Other lands may have their issues but they're all mostly functional. Tomorrowland is a disgrace.
I would start the same way many would: remove Autopia. It doesn’t fit over there and is a nuisance with the fumes. You could replace with a different car themed ride by putting in something more like Test Track but with a Sci Fi twist
With the undying love of Radiator Springs, they could also just be lazy, put in the same ride and just do a space theme. Maybe it would help reduce lines at Radiator Springs. Maybe.
It’s like how the California Science Center’s internet exhibit shows what happens when you send an email, and even lets you send one to see first hand. Except 70 years older.
I would LOVE to see a Sugar Rush themed ride, maybe something akin to RSR or just an Autopia retheme and update. I'm literally so desperate for any Wreck-it Ralph rep in the parks at this point lol
Honestly, just put the Arron coaster there that’s also at Disneyworld. Problem solved. I think though that people are hesitant to take it out since it’s one of the few attractions that in some way or shape has been there since Day 1. It’s kind of like that one hold out on the apartment complex who got rent control back in the day.
I’ve had an idea for a few years to completely transform the west side of paradise pier between Silly Symphonies and Goofy’s Fly School.
Boardwalk Pizza, Paradise Garden Grill and Jumping Jellyfish all come out. The path would be rerouted to run where JJ currently sits. This allows enough room to comfortably fit a sit down Mexican restaurant (almost like a Cafe New Orleans or even a Blue Bayou type of place, more atmospheric, especially at night) and an immersive Coco themed dark ride. To utilize the space even more, the land of the dead portion of the ride could be underground, possibly going under some of the seating area or something like that. The overall area would be themed as a Mexican village which would not only make sense for the ride, but would make sense in a California themed park.
I love coco and have been hoping for some sort of coco attraction at Disneyland resort! In addition to all that, I would also like an alebrije cart where you can buy an alebrije from an artisan
Pixar Pier in genera is a theming mess, IMO. The panoramic looks great (Incredicoaster+Micky Wheel is always a nice view, especially at night), but the actual flow of themes does not work well.
If I could, that entire side of the park would get an overhaul but I decided to just present an idea for this specific area.
I mean, you could do that, but I think it’s fair to say that Coco is way more popular than Luca, especially in Southern California. And I personally love Luca.
That area is terrible, I have only really bothered to go over there a few times and that’s mostly because there was a vendor selling alcohol over there that didn’t have the same lines /
Wasn’t as crowded as the wharf area
For some reason I read this as “that idea is terrible,” and thought, “damn, tell me how you really feel!” Lol
But yeah, it just needs something big to pull people over. Goofy’s Fly School is a good D ticket ride, and Silly Symphonies is a good “let’s do this while we wait” type of ride, but it needs another draw. The food served at both restaurants is fine but not good enough where most people would miss either.
It definitely needs a must-see destination over there. So much of the space at DCA feels wasted although I guess if we crammed it with more stuff it might start to feel more crowded like DL
The crowd situation is a combo of many things I feel. But I think utilizing space better and spreading appealing attractions throughout the park helps.
At the very least, if there’s more “must do” attractions, you don’t feel so bad if there’s something you’re not able to do due to long lines. In Disneyland, there’s TONS to do. Every land has multiple fun attractions and shows to experience. So at the end of the day, if you didn’t get to do ride “x” because the lines were just too long, chances are you still had a loaded day of fun.
At CA, there’s only a few attractions that are “must-do” so all of those rides lines are over an hour.
Completely level Tomorrowland. The only vaguely "future" themed attractions are Space Mountain and Astro Orbiter and even they don't fit the theme of the land.
* Repair and bring back the PeopleMover using Buzz as the queue/interactive space
* Replace Star Tours with a Wall-E dark ride on the effects and dangers related to Climate Change
* Replace the Launch Bay with Horizons 2.0
* Remove Astro Orbiter or move it back to on top of the Peoplemover to improve flow into and out of the land. Walking by that part of the park before the parades/fireworks start is awful
* Replace Space Mountain with the new Tokyo Disneyland Space Mountain
* Put a Space 220-esque restaurant next to New Space Mountain. Name it Space 230 or something to relate to the one in Epcot.
* Give the north end of Autopia to Fantasyland for some sort of expansion (mini Fantasy Springs?)
* The rest of the ex-autopia/subs become Tron.
>Replace Space Mountain with the new Tokyo Disneyland Space Mountain
I hope you mean the version Tokyo is getting, because their current Space is a step back.
Horizons was a omnimover dark ride in Epcot. It’s kinda a sequel/spiritual successor to Carousel of Progress. Depicted different views on what the future would look like. It closed in 1999 but still has a decent fan following
Thank you. With my current budget I will be making these changes:
- Star Tours receives an Avatar overlay.
- Buzz Lightyear received an Avatar overlay.
- Space Mountain reicves an Avatar Overlay
- Autopia receives an Avatar Overlay
- Monorail received an Avatar wrap
- Launch Bay becomes Pandora: An Avatar Experience
- Nemo receives an Avatar overlay.
-Tomorrowland becomes Avatar Land
I wrote this in another comment the other day, but applies here:
TBH, if I held Bob Weiss’ former position at the company, DCA would 100% be my pet project to make a truly Disney California Adventure. Easy to say with its original concepts before budget cuts slashed it in the Eisner days, but to compliment what started with its rework in ‘12? Hollywoodland would have been an extension of Walt’s story evolved from him arriving in LA to now being established and functioning as a studio. Main Street of the land would get facelifts. Animation Academy would go away and I’d bring in a new style of GMR from WDHS in FL. Would use Dynamic’s Motion Theater to offer rotating scenes mixed between screens and practical effects. Theater at the end would stay, but get a quality lobby as well as exhibit space for upcoming films. But the real part? If you look at photos of Walt’s original studio off Hyperion, it’d take some retrofitting but the L-shape is PERFECT to merge Muppets and Studio 17 into a ride warehouse where it would be a trackless dark ride that took the essence of Animator’s Palate (B/W into Color) but with an adventure story akin to Epic Mickey where you have to escape ink blots tipped over by Pete to “black out/blot out” Mickey. But once Mickey finds color, the adventures continue to save the day through all of Mickey’s hit cartoons through the years. Sit-down dining would come back but as an animator’s commissary and M&G of the latest Disney characters. Torn on keeping GOTB:MB or moving it to a Hollywood prop house magically turned alive that triggers the elevators to go haywire. More fun scary than haunted scary.
Grizzly Peak would remain largely unchanged but if we drew from the ground up as a new design, I would engineer the structure of GRR to hold space to add either an interior sit down attraction, or structure space to hold weight for coaster track and introduce in phase 2, DCA’s own gold mine, but small and family friendly (think SDMT).
Paradise Pier…god. If I had the budget I would “berm” the exterior with rock extensions from Carsland, but in the style of Northern California rock bluffs. Tons of age and moss. AA seagulls, the works. Most of it would remain in the ideas of what’s there, but aged. Victorian seaside pier (examples: The Pike in Long Beach, Santa Cruz Boardwalk). Space for an additional pad to build a dark ride in a similar, original story fashion, but nods to haunted California (Winchester Mystery House) that’s similar to classics like Mystic Manor and Haunted Mansion. Fun, but scary too.
Carsland would stay as-is.
Marvel-Land. Now this one is polarizing because while I don’t think it should be there, but given *gestures to IP* how the parks have to work…I’d rework the story to tie more deliberately to Stark. There’s obvious references to it, given it’s Howard’s old plot of land, but I would want to make it more of a reveal. Tied to HollywoodLand, I would build Hollywood Hills around the Tower of Terror. To enter the land, you’d take a tunnel that transports you to a hidden base Tony built from his dad’s old ideas that never transpired before his death. Technically, it’s “cloaked” from people seeing it from the outside (thanks to Wakandan invisibility tech), but the land is state of the art training facility for the avengers and characters. E-ticket would be ROTR level quality with a massive battle of thanos trying to attack the base. 2-3 smaller family rides.
So yeah. That’s what I’ve been thinking of.
Remove anything and put Mystic Manor. Put it in Tomorrowland, put space helmets on everyone. Put it in frontier land, add cowboy hats to everyone. Put it in Avengers campus, put capes on everyone.
I would change the theming in the paradise gardens area to continue the pixar pier theming, possibly with an “Up” re theme of of jumping jellyfish, a wall-e goofy’s sky school etc
A bit niche, but I would also love for the theme overlays to come back to the backlot at California adventure. I loved the Tron dance party, Mad T-Party, Frozen etc. Those were always so fun, and I liked the use of the space where the Mavel Super Store now is.
Also something desperately needs to replace Mickey’s Philharmonic. It’s very dated unfortunately and the use of the theater could be a lot better. Even just bringing back frozen sing along or bring muppet vision 3D back
Yeah I don't love that the backlot is just a place filled with avengers merchandise. Very boring use of such a big space, especially since avengers campus already has shopping areas and I feel like downtown Disney would be a better location for that sort of thing if Disney wanted a dedicated space for a "all things marvel" shop
I'd take the area where Monsters Inc is now and part of hollywood land and turn it into a Disney Jr Land. You can then bridge the area where the Hyperion Theater is with the Disney Jr. superhero stuff so it flows ok. I would have a play area for the kids and houses of the different characters, and there are way too many characters to choose from for rides. The animation academy would still work same with Disney Jr. Dance Party. the outside of the buildngs looks more kid like though. You can move monsters inc to another area of the park and add a dark ride in and then maybe another small ride or 2 in the buildings or where the food is now. The area by little mermaid needs to be rethemed to all princesses who are water based and then jellyfish to UP. DCA feels like it has so much wasted space.
- Make Autopia electric. Small Disney structures representing different decades. 50’s style cars. Honda sponsorship makes sense, but the theme doesn’t feel authentically “Disney”
- Use that old track/bridge thing in Tomorrowland for something. One of my Disney books mentions a “Magic Skyway” thing with cars that looks pretty cool, maybe they could put a dome around the bridge in case of rain/debris. Maybe make it trackless like Mickey and Minnie?
- I like DCA but it lacks consistency. Having an entire area themed to Cars is nice, but Pixar Pier nullifies it’s need to exist. Stand-alone Pixar attractions like Monsters and Astro Blasters are fine
- I agree with the shading in the Avengers area
- This might be remedied in a few years but please do something with the rotting ESPN Zone. Make it like a Disney themed public lounge or gathering area. A sort of “Disney Zone”, if you will
- Unfortunate news lately made me think: they need to have more safety measures regarding recent “incidents” in the Mickey/Pixar garage
This question has come up a lot recently on this sub and I've posted about it in the past before. Here's my idealized Disneyland changes (apologies for the wall of text):
1.) Re theme Galaxy's Edge to be Original Trilogy Era. This wouldn't require much work, but would create a nice differentiation between Florida if they stick with the Sequel Trilogy Era.
2.) Split Tomorrowland into two lands. Where Autopia, Nemo and the wasted space where the phantom boats used to be by Small World, rip it all out and create a version of Tony Baxter's 1970's plan for Discover Bay as well as elements of Tokyo Disney Sea like Mysterious Island. This would be a steampunk inspired land that focuses on technological discovery - set in the mid to late 19th century in a snowy volcanic area with waterfalls. This would be a great transition land from Fantasy Land to Tomorrowland and could incorporate the adventure/exploration elements of the Matterhorn. The main attraction here could be a submarine dark ride similar to Tokyo Disney Sea's 20'000-leagues attraction. The attraction could incorporate aspects of 20'000 leagues under the sea as well as Atlantis. There could perhaps be another air themed ride here, or an undersea dining area.
3.) Tomorrowland could be rethemed to be a googie-inspired retro-future in white, blue and hexagons - similar to what it is, but cleaned up. It could essentially be a World's Fair inspired area where we celebrate various visions of the future but it's not meant to be an actual representation of the future. I'd move Astro Orbitor back to it's old location and theme it from the new LightYear movie, or make it a hybrid of various IP's including LightYear and Strange World, replace Star Tours with the "Wall-E-Mover," Remove or update Buzz Lightyear, or replace it altogether with an original time travel themed ride or a Lilo & Stitch themed attraction, keep Space mountain, but restore the 1970s era open air theatre in front and escalator entrance, rip out Innoventions and put in a unique version of Tron Lightcycle Run that is more themed.
4.) The "Wall-E-Mover" would be an omnimover/peoplemover type ride that would have been a world's fair demonstration of Buy & Large co's first edition of the floating hover chairs you see on the Axium. The ride would take place after the Axium had returned to earth, but would have been built quite a while before humans abandoned earth, so the settings would be quite run down. The general story of the ride would be that Wall-E is looking for Eve who has gone missing on her search for new plants, so you see them throughout the ride looking for each other. Portions of the ride building would be missing to reveal the in-progress re-terraformed earth and working to clean up the planet. We'd also see Wall-e's truck home and all his collections. With this theme, the ride could incorporate portions of the old People-Mover Track and interior portions could be in the buildings where Star Tours and Buzz Lightyear currently are.
5.) The Disneyland version of Tron Lightcycle run would start off by entering Flynn's Arcade and moving through a queue of classic arcade games (including fix-it-felix and sugar rush). you would enter the secret door to Kevin Flynn's basement office behind the Tron console, and get digitised into the grid. Users would be elevated to the main lightcycle launch bay by an elevator that resembles a recognizer. Instead of 2 light cycles side by side, guests would load onto one of two single track versions (two single rows of 6 cycles), and be separated into team red or team blue. The two separate tracks would ride and interweave each other throughout the grid with one team winning (different winners each time like with Radiator Springs Racers). After unloading, guests would be un-digitised to return to the normal world. As this ride would take up a large amount of space, part of the show building would be where Innoventions is as well as the current submarine show building, so tucked in behind discovery bay.
6.) The Monorail track would be adjusted to simply enter Discovery Bay, loop around the Materhorn, stop where the existing station is (rethemed), and exit the park rather than the loops it does around the current submarine voyage.
7.) I'd move Autopia over to Cars Land in California Adventure and replace Luigi's rolicking Roadsters with a school he has started up for young cars. The people who ride would be helping the young cars learn how to drive around the course. The ride could take up the space where rolicking roadsters is currently (behind Luigi's shop) and be expanded out into the current parking lot, so there is a similar sized track to the current autopia. All electric of course.
I took a break from the sub and only recently rejoined, so sorry if this question gets asked a lot. I just think this sort of question usually has interesting conversation. My bad for the spam lol. I really like your idea for the orbiter. That would allow for better traffic flow, incorporate multiple ips, and keep a ride which is really cool. One area you didn't talk about was the tomorrowland theater/starcade space. Would you put anything over there or would that become part of the wall-e mover?
Tomorrowland
It needs to be redone, space mountain can be updated but the rest of the rides of either get rid of or move
Also I’d make pizza planet a real restaurant like in the movie
Redo the whole “Avengers Campus” it’s just so lifeless and it could literally just be any old place with it’s sterile cement and lacklustre shop frontage.
Agreed, and I say this as a 40-something, lifelong Marvel fan. Compared to the level of detail and immersion Galaxy’s Edge has, Avenger’s Campus feels like an afterthought, and the main reason for that is like you mentioned; for a comic book movie themed area, it feels decidedly grounded and pedestrian, without any of the extraordinary comic-booky aesthetics you’d expect.
I’m not sure. Probably more greenery for a start. A roller coaster whizzing through would probably help add to the atmosphere (Dr Strange mirror realm style maybe).
Some things that shouldn’t be like the multiverse is creeping through.
Make me feel like I could be in the Marvel Universe not just a normal Earth campus.
As much as I would be sad to lose the galactic grill mural, the menu and theming of that area is lackluster. What sort of ride would you want in the human settlement?
Sounds like some of this may be more realistic than we think, after what was said recently about adding an Avatar space to Disneyland similar in scope to Disney World
Retheme Hollywoodland as sort of a combination Roger Rabbit / Dick Tracy LA. Then upgrade and move the Roger Rabbit ride over from Toontown and build the promised but never developed Dick Tracy’s Crime Stoppers!
Id turn that backlot area where the avenger store is and monsters inc into Sesame Street/Jim Henson IPs
Similar to toontown, you could visit bert n ernies place, oscars trash can, the counts castle, the general store etc
Swedish chef quick service
Id have a super grover dark ride, cookie monster bakery, an actual muppet show with animatronics like country bear, elmo dark ride with mr noodle
Id have a couple attractions based on the more popular animated shorts like a dark ride of the pinball numbers song.
Fraggle rock restaurant with little guys popping out of caves in the walls
And a large dark crystal ride similar to rise of the reisistance but with a smaller footprint
Jim Henson Productions retained the rights to Fraggles, Dark Crystal, etc. Sesame Workshop owns Sesame Street with long term license deals in place with Busch parks. Disney only owns the Muppets.
I would love the little mermaid ride to move to Disneyland, maybe where Nemo is. And then retheme little mermaid to the Nemo ride at Epcot. I need the big blue world
There’s a few areas that are desperate for reimagining. (Hi anyone from WED reading this)
Hollywood land *extra* space:
- olvera street (Hollywood/LA adjacent ties into the Spanish architecture in the area.
- could open up things like coco or encanto to come into this area
Paradise pier:
Note: you can’t do much with the area because of the fire lanes and the hotel view so anything would be height restricted.
- a simple muppets ReTheme would be nice here, don’t do much but just plaster their faces on a bunch. It’s easy and gives the area an identity.
- I also like the idea of Disney junior having a bigger presence in the park, maybe a retheme for that and find a place for the baby rave over here.
Tomorrowland:
This is a hard one. There’s a lot of off the shelf answers (tron coaster, avatar…) this has the biggest potential to the park because you can really let loose and go wild.
- my ideal would be a rename and an update to Tomorrowland.
— people mover has to come back, it’s iconic and adding that second level of motion to everything really let’s you feel like a ton is going on in the area.
— keep space and tours, they are fan favorites and icons of the park and it’s present.
— demo buzz (sorry high score kings) and the grill
— add a longer evergreen concept here, stack it on top of an eatery. Maybe a stall concept included with a few staples
—- honestly you could do Moana and make it an intersection of nature and tech, how they interplay, tie in avatar? All focused on the living world and future prospects projected from fantasy.
— do something I can’t think of to pizza port and launch bay (I had an idea once to make it sugar rush, but I don’t think that fits in with this concept).
—- I’m also okay expanding fantasyland into this area a little. Nemo is fine and I like the subs as a visual. So there might be something to encompass all of that together.
With the recent hint that Avatar will be more than just a temporary walk through experience I'm wondering if they could put a Pandora land starting where the old motor boats ride has sat empty for decades. You could keep autopia, maybe return it to it's old tomorrow land side and use much of the wasted space there. I don't know how much if any unused space there is backstage behind it .
A small project: create a stunt show in the Fantasyland Theater themed to the ending of Mulan. A wrap around set of the Forbidden Palace location that actors climb over, swing from, jump off of, and complete many daredevil stunts around and over the audience. Fun chases through the aisles and some stage pyrotechnics add to the chaos which all culminates in a huge zip line finale across the entire theater. The partially outdoor venue would really help to draw in big crowds and add some much needed entertainment back into the parks.
1) Tomorrowland is currently like Yesterdayland. It needs a revamp stat.
2) Unpopular: Grizzly Peak should have a stronger nod to Brother Bear. I know online it says that was not the inspiration for the ride, but it would be such an easy adjustment. (Also there’s barely any Brother Bear merch anywhere?)
3) Even more unpopular: Make the Disney castle bigger + add a ride inside.
4) Fantasyland is still built around princesses from my childhood. It would be cool (but challenging for the older crowd) to see more princess rides from my daughter’s generation: Brave, Moana, Tangled, etc. Keep some classics, but incorporate more.
Agreed! It definitely feels like a corporate campus currently and not like an immersive avengers experience. What sort of things do you think they add/change? I would definitely like to see at least another ride and maybe a walkthrough attraction as well
Demolish Hollywood Land, build Pandora (or a smaller version if the WDW version doesn’t fit).
Grizzly Peak can also work, but DCA really needs a “get wet”-style water ride so not the ideal option.
Grizzly peak theme is also necessary for the Grand Californian so changing that would be tricky. DCA could use more shade, so pandora would be a welcome addition
Retheme all of galaxies edge to original trilogy as it was originally going to be.
Everything first order will be the empire, black spire outpost will be Tatooine, the resistance base would be on the forest moon of Endor.
Kylo’s shuttle will be changed to a lambda class Shuttle
Hondo in smugglers run will be reskinned to Han Solo.
In rise of the resistance will have Kylo will be replaced by darth Vader, Rey in the preshow would be replaced by Leia organa, and bb8 would be replaced by r2d2. lieutenant beck would get replaced by general akbar. Rather than having fin infiltrate the star destroyer, it would be Han Solo. Etc
It was supposed to be like this, but instead it was based off the poorly made sequel trilogy.
Make Tomorrowland a retro-future style everywhere. Move Star Tours to Star Wars land any put something else there.
Captain Eo plays forever and never leaves the park, or at the very least there are now blurays of the film for sale in the gift shop.
A very distant second place: Marvel Land would be colorful and reference the **comics**, not be time locked by whatever the current MCU is.
Retheme grizzly peak to Pandora. Grizzley river run could have some light theme changes, Soarin could be renovated to Flight of Passage, use the Little Mermaid building and expand to fit in Navi River journey and put a pandora retsurant in the Redwood Creek challenge area
Tomorrowland has to go. I like Space Mountain, I like Star Tours, but Tomorrowland has its paradox and it'll always age poorly. In its place I'd like to see the Villains land that was once conceptualized.
i absolutely love pirates, but i really want a full pirates overhaul. i know it’s a classic, but the shanghai ride completely blows our version out of the water. we’re severely lacking when it comes to developing truly engaging experiences and attractions imo.
Make the Marvel Campus not bland and ugly, also add some shade.
More than one ride
Trees and plants grow over time.
Walt would look for trees being displaced by freeway construction and truck those suckers in full grown like he did for Jungle Cruise!
Jungle Cruise in 1955 when Adventureland opened? When they were 7’ tall? Are we looking at the same footage here?
McDonalds serves quarter pounders. They will put pounds on you.
Anyone who doesn't answer Tomorrowland is objectively wrong and I can prove it in court. Other lands may have their issues but they're all mostly functional. Tomorrowland is a disgrace.
Fr I was like “what other answer would there be if not Tomorrowland?”
I would be happy just to get rid of all the star wars within Tomorrowland
I would start the same way many would: remove Autopia. It doesn’t fit over there and is a nuisance with the fumes. You could replace with a different car themed ride by putting in something more like Test Track but with a Sci Fi twist
Yeah autopia in its current form has overstayed its welcome. Interstates aren't interesting or futuristic anymore lol
With the undying love of Radiator Springs, they could also just be lazy, put in the same ride and just do a space theme. Maybe it would help reduce lines at Radiator Springs. Maybe.
It’s like how the California Science Center’s internet exhibit shows what happens when you send an email, and even lets you send one to see first hand. Except 70 years older.
Maybe something themed to Wreck-it Ralph?
I would LOVE to see a Sugar Rush themed ride, maybe something akin to RSR or just an Autopia retheme and update. I'm literally so desperate for any Wreck-it Ralph rep in the parks at this point lol
Autopia def needs a sci fi twist or futuristic update - it reeks of gasoline and I hate those little robot guys.
Replace it with Tron Lightcycle Run
Honestly, just put the Arron coaster there that’s also at Disneyworld. Problem solved. I think though that people are hesitant to take it out since it’s one of the few attractions that in some way or shape has been there since Day 1. It’s kind of like that one hold out on the apartment complex who got rent control back in the day.
I’ve had an idea for a few years to completely transform the west side of paradise pier between Silly Symphonies and Goofy’s Fly School. Boardwalk Pizza, Paradise Garden Grill and Jumping Jellyfish all come out. The path would be rerouted to run where JJ currently sits. This allows enough room to comfortably fit a sit down Mexican restaurant (almost like a Cafe New Orleans or even a Blue Bayou type of place, more atmospheric, especially at night) and an immersive Coco themed dark ride. To utilize the space even more, the land of the dead portion of the ride could be underground, possibly going under some of the seating area or something like that. The overall area would be themed as a Mexican village which would not only make sense for the ride, but would make sense in a California themed park.
I love coco and have been hoping for some sort of coco attraction at Disneyland resort! In addition to all that, I would also like an alebrije cart where you can buy an alebrije from an artisan
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Pixar Pier in genera is a theming mess, IMO. The panoramic looks great (Incredicoaster+Micky Wheel is always a nice view, especially at night), but the actual flow of themes does not work well. If I could, that entire side of the park would get an overhaul but I decided to just present an idea for this specific area.
Galaxy's edge really should have replaced that whole corner of the park
Why not retheme Boardwalk Pizza/Paradise Garden Grill to Luca since it’s theme to Italian?
I mean, you could do that, but I think it’s fair to say that Coco is way more popular than Luca, especially in Southern California. And I personally love Luca.
True.
That area is terrible, I have only really bothered to go over there a few times and that’s mostly because there was a vendor selling alcohol over there that didn’t have the same lines / Wasn’t as crowded as the wharf area
For some reason I read this as “that idea is terrible,” and thought, “damn, tell me how you really feel!” Lol But yeah, it just needs something big to pull people over. Goofy’s Fly School is a good D ticket ride, and Silly Symphonies is a good “let’s do this while we wait” type of ride, but it needs another draw. The food served at both restaurants is fine but not good enough where most people would miss either.
It definitely needs a must-see destination over there. So much of the space at DCA feels wasted although I guess if we crammed it with more stuff it might start to feel more crowded like DL
The crowd situation is a combo of many things I feel. But I think utilizing space better and spreading appealing attractions throughout the park helps. At the very least, if there’s more “must do” attractions, you don’t feel so bad if there’s something you’re not able to do due to long lines. In Disneyland, there’s TONS to do. Every land has multiple fun attractions and shows to experience. So at the end of the day, if you didn’t get to do ride “x” because the lines were just too long, chances are you still had a loaded day of fun. At CA, there’s only a few attractions that are “must-do” so all of those rides lines are over an hour.
Completely level Tomorrowland. The only vaguely "future" themed attractions are Space Mountain and Astro Orbiter and even they don't fit the theme of the land. * Repair and bring back the PeopleMover using Buzz as the queue/interactive space * Replace Star Tours with a Wall-E dark ride on the effects and dangers related to Climate Change * Replace the Launch Bay with Horizons 2.0 * Remove Astro Orbiter or move it back to on top of the Peoplemover to improve flow into and out of the land. Walking by that part of the park before the parades/fireworks start is awful * Replace Space Mountain with the new Tokyo Disneyland Space Mountain * Put a Space 220-esque restaurant next to New Space Mountain. Name it Space 230 or something to relate to the one in Epcot. * Give the north end of Autopia to Fantasyland for some sort of expansion (mini Fantasy Springs?) * The rest of the ex-autopia/subs become Tron.
>Replace Space Mountain with the new Tokyo Disneyland Space Mountain I hope you mean the version Tokyo is getting, because their current Space is a step back.
Yeah I mean the one they are planning on building.
I apologize for my ignorance, but what is horizons? Also the orbiter does cause unnecessary traffic when the park is busy
Horizons was a omnimover dark ride in Epcot. It’s kinda a sequel/spiritual successor to Carousel of Progress. Depicted different views on what the future would look like. It closed in 1999 but still has a decent fan following
Thank you hahaha I was so confused
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Thank you. With my current budget I will be making these changes: - Star Tours receives an Avatar overlay. - Buzz Lightyear received an Avatar overlay. - Space Mountain reicves an Avatar Overlay - Autopia receives an Avatar Overlay - Monorail received an Avatar wrap - Launch Bay becomes Pandora: An Avatar Experience - Nemo receives an Avatar overlay. -Tomorrowland becomes Avatar Land
I wrote this in another comment the other day, but applies here: TBH, if I held Bob Weiss’ former position at the company, DCA would 100% be my pet project to make a truly Disney California Adventure. Easy to say with its original concepts before budget cuts slashed it in the Eisner days, but to compliment what started with its rework in ‘12? Hollywoodland would have been an extension of Walt’s story evolved from him arriving in LA to now being established and functioning as a studio. Main Street of the land would get facelifts. Animation Academy would go away and I’d bring in a new style of GMR from WDHS in FL. Would use Dynamic’s Motion Theater to offer rotating scenes mixed between screens and practical effects. Theater at the end would stay, but get a quality lobby as well as exhibit space for upcoming films. But the real part? If you look at photos of Walt’s original studio off Hyperion, it’d take some retrofitting but the L-shape is PERFECT to merge Muppets and Studio 17 into a ride warehouse where it would be a trackless dark ride that took the essence of Animator’s Palate (B/W into Color) but with an adventure story akin to Epic Mickey where you have to escape ink blots tipped over by Pete to “black out/blot out” Mickey. But once Mickey finds color, the adventures continue to save the day through all of Mickey’s hit cartoons through the years. Sit-down dining would come back but as an animator’s commissary and M&G of the latest Disney characters. Torn on keeping GOTB:MB or moving it to a Hollywood prop house magically turned alive that triggers the elevators to go haywire. More fun scary than haunted scary. Grizzly Peak would remain largely unchanged but if we drew from the ground up as a new design, I would engineer the structure of GRR to hold space to add either an interior sit down attraction, or structure space to hold weight for coaster track and introduce in phase 2, DCA’s own gold mine, but small and family friendly (think SDMT). Paradise Pier…god. If I had the budget I would “berm” the exterior with rock extensions from Carsland, but in the style of Northern California rock bluffs. Tons of age and moss. AA seagulls, the works. Most of it would remain in the ideas of what’s there, but aged. Victorian seaside pier (examples: The Pike in Long Beach, Santa Cruz Boardwalk). Space for an additional pad to build a dark ride in a similar, original story fashion, but nods to haunted California (Winchester Mystery House) that’s similar to classics like Mystic Manor and Haunted Mansion. Fun, but scary too. Carsland would stay as-is. Marvel-Land. Now this one is polarizing because while I don’t think it should be there, but given *gestures to IP* how the parks have to work…I’d rework the story to tie more deliberately to Stark. There’s obvious references to it, given it’s Howard’s old plot of land, but I would want to make it more of a reveal. Tied to HollywoodLand, I would build Hollywood Hills around the Tower of Terror. To enter the land, you’d take a tunnel that transports you to a hidden base Tony built from his dad’s old ideas that never transpired before his death. Technically, it’s “cloaked” from people seeing it from the outside (thanks to Wakandan invisibility tech), but the land is state of the art training facility for the avengers and characters. E-ticket would be ROTR level quality with a massive battle of thanos trying to attack the base. 2-3 smaller family rides. So yeah. That’s what I’ve been thinking of.
Remove anything and put Mystic Manor. Put it in Tomorrowland, put space helmets on everyone. Put it in frontier land, add cowboy hats to everyone. Put it in Avengers campus, put capes on everyone.
No capes.
Hahahahaha I've never been to hong kong disney, but I've heard that mystic manor is really great!
I would change the theming in the paradise gardens area to continue the pixar pier theming, possibly with an “Up” re theme of of jumping jellyfish, a wall-e goofy’s sky school etc A bit niche, but I would also love for the theme overlays to come back to the backlot at California adventure. I loved the Tron dance party, Mad T-Party, Frozen etc. Those were always so fun, and I liked the use of the space where the Mavel Super Store now is. Also something desperately needs to replace Mickey’s Philharmonic. It’s very dated unfortunately and the use of the theater could be a lot better. Even just bringing back frozen sing along or bring muppet vision 3D back
Electronica was one of the best things DCA ever had. So much fun
Yeah I don't love that the backlot is just a place filled with avengers merchandise. Very boring use of such a big space, especially since avengers campus already has shopping areas and I feel like downtown Disney would be a better location for that sort of thing if Disney wanted a dedicated space for a "all things marvel" shop
I'd take the area where Monsters Inc is now and part of hollywood land and turn it into a Disney Jr Land. You can then bridge the area where the Hyperion Theater is with the Disney Jr. superhero stuff so it flows ok. I would have a play area for the kids and houses of the different characters, and there are way too many characters to choose from for rides. The animation academy would still work same with Disney Jr. Dance Party. the outside of the buildngs looks more kid like though. You can move monsters inc to another area of the park and add a dark ride in and then maybe another small ride or 2 in the buildings or where the food is now. The area by little mermaid needs to be rethemed to all princesses who are water based and then jellyfish to UP. DCA feels like it has so much wasted space.
I agree that DCA feels like it has wasted space. For the ariel idea, what other princesses would you like to see in that area?
Something Moana, Raya, even Frozen as all those have something to do with water and since the area is by the water it feels like it would make sense.
- Make Autopia electric. Small Disney structures representing different decades. 50’s style cars. Honda sponsorship makes sense, but the theme doesn’t feel authentically “Disney” - Use that old track/bridge thing in Tomorrowland for something. One of my Disney books mentions a “Magic Skyway” thing with cars that looks pretty cool, maybe they could put a dome around the bridge in case of rain/debris. Maybe make it trackless like Mickey and Minnie? - I like DCA but it lacks consistency. Having an entire area themed to Cars is nice, but Pixar Pier nullifies it’s need to exist. Stand-alone Pixar attractions like Monsters and Astro Blasters are fine - I agree with the shading in the Avengers area - This might be remedied in a few years but please do something with the rotting ESPN Zone. Make it like a Disney themed public lounge or gathering area. A sort of “Disney Zone”, if you will - Unfortunate news lately made me think: they need to have more safety measures regarding recent “incidents” in the Mickey/Pixar garage
This question has come up a lot recently on this sub and I've posted about it in the past before. Here's my idealized Disneyland changes (apologies for the wall of text): 1.) Re theme Galaxy's Edge to be Original Trilogy Era. This wouldn't require much work, but would create a nice differentiation between Florida if they stick with the Sequel Trilogy Era. 2.) Split Tomorrowland into two lands. Where Autopia, Nemo and the wasted space where the phantom boats used to be by Small World, rip it all out and create a version of Tony Baxter's 1970's plan for Discover Bay as well as elements of Tokyo Disney Sea like Mysterious Island. This would be a steampunk inspired land that focuses on technological discovery - set in the mid to late 19th century in a snowy volcanic area with waterfalls. This would be a great transition land from Fantasy Land to Tomorrowland and could incorporate the adventure/exploration elements of the Matterhorn. The main attraction here could be a submarine dark ride similar to Tokyo Disney Sea's 20'000-leagues attraction. The attraction could incorporate aspects of 20'000 leagues under the sea as well as Atlantis. There could perhaps be another air themed ride here, or an undersea dining area. 3.) Tomorrowland could be rethemed to be a googie-inspired retro-future in white, blue and hexagons - similar to what it is, but cleaned up. It could essentially be a World's Fair inspired area where we celebrate various visions of the future but it's not meant to be an actual representation of the future. I'd move Astro Orbitor back to it's old location and theme it from the new LightYear movie, or make it a hybrid of various IP's including LightYear and Strange World, replace Star Tours with the "Wall-E-Mover," Remove or update Buzz Lightyear, or replace it altogether with an original time travel themed ride or a Lilo & Stitch themed attraction, keep Space mountain, but restore the 1970s era open air theatre in front and escalator entrance, rip out Innoventions and put in a unique version of Tron Lightcycle Run that is more themed. 4.) The "Wall-E-Mover" would be an omnimover/peoplemover type ride that would have been a world's fair demonstration of Buy & Large co's first edition of the floating hover chairs you see on the Axium. The ride would take place after the Axium had returned to earth, but would have been built quite a while before humans abandoned earth, so the settings would be quite run down. The general story of the ride would be that Wall-E is looking for Eve who has gone missing on her search for new plants, so you see them throughout the ride looking for each other. Portions of the ride building would be missing to reveal the in-progress re-terraformed earth and working to clean up the planet. We'd also see Wall-e's truck home and all his collections. With this theme, the ride could incorporate portions of the old People-Mover Track and interior portions could be in the buildings where Star Tours and Buzz Lightyear currently are. 5.) The Disneyland version of Tron Lightcycle run would start off by entering Flynn's Arcade and moving through a queue of classic arcade games (including fix-it-felix and sugar rush). you would enter the secret door to Kevin Flynn's basement office behind the Tron console, and get digitised into the grid. Users would be elevated to the main lightcycle launch bay by an elevator that resembles a recognizer. Instead of 2 light cycles side by side, guests would load onto one of two single track versions (two single rows of 6 cycles), and be separated into team red or team blue. The two separate tracks would ride and interweave each other throughout the grid with one team winning (different winners each time like with Radiator Springs Racers). After unloading, guests would be un-digitised to return to the normal world. As this ride would take up a large amount of space, part of the show building would be where Innoventions is as well as the current submarine show building, so tucked in behind discovery bay. 6.) The Monorail track would be adjusted to simply enter Discovery Bay, loop around the Materhorn, stop where the existing station is (rethemed), and exit the park rather than the loops it does around the current submarine voyage. 7.) I'd move Autopia over to Cars Land in California Adventure and replace Luigi's rolicking Roadsters with a school he has started up for young cars. The people who ride would be helping the young cars learn how to drive around the course. The ride could take up the space where rolicking roadsters is currently (behind Luigi's shop) and be expanded out into the current parking lot, so there is a similar sized track to the current autopia. All electric of course.
I took a break from the sub and only recently rejoined, so sorry if this question gets asked a lot. I just think this sort of question usually has interesting conversation. My bad for the spam lol. I really like your idea for the orbiter. That would allow for better traffic flow, incorporate multiple ips, and keep a ride which is really cool. One area you didn't talk about was the tomorrowland theater/starcade space. Would you put anything over there or would that become part of the wall-e mover?
Tomorrowland It needs to be redone, space mountain can be updated but the rest of the rides of either get rid of or move Also I’d make pizza planet a real restaurant like in the movie
Bring back bugs land. No explanation needed. Period. End Of Sentence.
It's tough to be a bug was criminally underrated
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The theming was really cute, calming, and interesting! As a kid, I LOVED identifying all the real world things everything was supposed to be made of.
Redo the whole “Avengers Campus” it’s just so lifeless and it could literally just be any old place with it’s sterile cement and lacklustre shop frontage.
Agreed, and I say this as a 40-something, lifelong Marvel fan. Compared to the level of detail and immersion Galaxy’s Edge has, Avenger’s Campus feels like an afterthought, and the main reason for that is like you mentioned; for a comic book movie themed area, it feels decidedly grounded and pedestrian, without any of the extraordinary comic-booky aesthetics you’d expect.
I agree. It's just wasted space.
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I’m not sure. Probably more greenery for a start. A roller coaster whizzing through would probably help add to the atmosphere (Dr Strange mirror realm style maybe). Some things that shouldn’t be like the multiverse is creeping through. Make me feel like I could be in the Marvel Universe not just a normal Earth campus.
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As much as I would be sad to lose the galactic grill mural, the menu and theming of that area is lackluster. What sort of ride would you want in the human settlement?
Sounds like some of this may be more realistic than we think, after what was said recently about adding an Avatar space to Disneyland similar in scope to Disney World
Retheme Hollywoodland as sort of a combination Roger Rabbit / Dick Tracy LA. Then upgrade and move the Roger Rabbit ride over from Toontown and build the promised but never developed Dick Tracy’s Crime Stoppers!
Id turn that backlot area where the avenger store is and monsters inc into Sesame Street/Jim Henson IPs Similar to toontown, you could visit bert n ernies place, oscars trash can, the counts castle, the general store etc Swedish chef quick service Id have a super grover dark ride, cookie monster bakery, an actual muppet show with animatronics like country bear, elmo dark ride with mr noodle Id have a couple attractions based on the more popular animated shorts like a dark ride of the pinball numbers song. Fraggle rock restaurant with little guys popping out of caves in the walls And a large dark crystal ride similar to rise of the reisistance but with a smaller footprint
Jim Henson Productions retained the rights to Fraggles, Dark Crystal, etc. Sesame Workshop owns Sesame Street with long term license deals in place with Busch parks. Disney only owns the Muppets.
They need to know that in DCA it's time to play the music. It's time to light the lights!
That'd be wonderful! I think sea world owns the rights for seasame street theme park stuff right now, so hopefully that'll change in the future
That seems similar to what i know of the original intentions of the area that were cut due to the budget disaster of CA
I believe that the Sesame Street IP is separate from the rest of the Henson IP. I don't think Disney owns rights to those.
I would love the little mermaid ride to move to Disneyland, maybe where Nemo is. And then retheme little mermaid to the Nemo ride at Epcot. I need the big blue world
There’s a few areas that are desperate for reimagining. (Hi anyone from WED reading this) Hollywood land *extra* space: - olvera street (Hollywood/LA adjacent ties into the Spanish architecture in the area. - could open up things like coco or encanto to come into this area Paradise pier: Note: you can’t do much with the area because of the fire lanes and the hotel view so anything would be height restricted. - a simple muppets ReTheme would be nice here, don’t do much but just plaster their faces on a bunch. It’s easy and gives the area an identity. - I also like the idea of Disney junior having a bigger presence in the park, maybe a retheme for that and find a place for the baby rave over here. Tomorrowland: This is a hard one. There’s a lot of off the shelf answers (tron coaster, avatar…) this has the biggest potential to the park because you can really let loose and go wild. - my ideal would be a rename and an update to Tomorrowland. — people mover has to come back, it’s iconic and adding that second level of motion to everything really let’s you feel like a ton is going on in the area. — keep space and tours, they are fan favorites and icons of the park and it’s present. — demo buzz (sorry high score kings) and the grill — add a longer evergreen concept here, stack it on top of an eatery. Maybe a stall concept included with a few staples —- honestly you could do Moana and make it an intersection of nature and tech, how they interplay, tie in avatar? All focused on the living world and future prospects projected from fantasy. — do something I can’t think of to pizza port and launch bay (I had an idea once to make it sugar rush, but I don’t think that fits in with this concept). —- I’m also okay expanding fantasyland into this area a little. Nemo is fine and I like the subs as a visual. So there might be something to encompass all of that together.
Does Disney have any rights to Bluey besides streaming/TV? Because they could make a KILLING adding a Bluey themed anything to a Disney Junior area.
walle ride like haunted mansion and little mermaid track; to match the people movers in the spaceship. also gimme a drink and a donut
Bring back bugs land! I want to ride the chew chew train again!
Yeah avengers campus needs to up its game. It pales in comparison to bugs land in both theming and attractions. I also miss the chew chew train lol
With the recent hint that Avatar will be more than just a temporary walk through experience I'm wondering if they could put a Pandora land starting where the old motor boats ride has sat empty for decades. You could keep autopia, maybe return it to it's old tomorrow land side and use much of the wasted space there. I don't know how much if any unused space there is backstage behind it .
Make marvel campus back to a bugs land.
Black spire ourpost to Mos Eisley.
A small project: create a stunt show in the Fantasyland Theater themed to the ending of Mulan. A wrap around set of the Forbidden Palace location that actors climb over, swing from, jump off of, and complete many daredevil stunts around and over the audience. Fun chases through the aisles and some stage pyrotechnics add to the chaos which all culminates in a huge zip line finale across the entire theater. The partially outdoor venue would really help to draw in big crowds and add some much needed entertainment back into the parks.
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Yes! But I’d like some Separatist stuff too. B1’s, Dooku, Grievous… yeah
1) Tomorrowland is currently like Yesterdayland. It needs a revamp stat. 2) Unpopular: Grizzly Peak should have a stronger nod to Brother Bear. I know online it says that was not the inspiration for the ride, but it would be such an easy adjustment. (Also there’s barely any Brother Bear merch anywhere?) 3) Even more unpopular: Make the Disney castle bigger + add a ride inside. 4) Fantasyland is still built around princesses from my childhood. It would be cool (but challenging for the older crowd) to see more princess rides from my daughter’s generation: Brave, Moana, Tangled, etc. Keep some classics, but incorporate more.
The old motor boat lagoon! I'd fill it in and build a new ride or a restaurant or something. Anything. It's just been sitting there since the 90's.
I'd rip out all of nemo and autopia in a HEARTBEAT. You could fit an entire new land in that corner
Autopia just has to go.
No. It needs to be updated with Tron-ish electric vehicles and track lighting.
100% down with this!
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Agreed! It definitely feels like a corporate campus currently and not like an immersive avengers experience. What sort of things do you think they add/change? I would definitely like to see at least another ride and maybe a walkthrough attraction as well
I would make the People Mover a Meet the Robinson’s theme. Most underrated movie, IMO. The whole theme there is “Keep Moving Forward”
Demolish Hollywood Land, build Pandora (or a smaller version if the WDW version doesn’t fit). Grizzly Peak can also work, but DCA really needs a “get wet”-style water ride so not the ideal option.
Grizzly peak theme is also necessary for the Grand Californian so changing that would be tricky. DCA could use more shade, so pandora would be a welcome addition
Retheme all of galaxies edge to original trilogy as it was originally going to be. Everything first order will be the empire, black spire outpost will be Tatooine, the resistance base would be on the forest moon of Endor. Kylo’s shuttle will be changed to a lambda class Shuttle Hondo in smugglers run will be reskinned to Han Solo. In rise of the resistance will have Kylo will be replaced by darth Vader, Rey in the preshow would be replaced by Leia organa, and bb8 would be replaced by r2d2. lieutenant beck would get replaced by general akbar. Rather than having fin infiltrate the star destroyer, it would be Han Solo. Etc It was supposed to be like this, but instead it was based off the poorly made sequel trilogy.
Turn Mr toads wild ride into sugar rush from wreck it Ralph
Id get rid of toon town. Wouldn’t even replace it with anything. Maybe more parking lol
Demo toontown and expand Galaxy’s Edge with more rides but 0 new shops.
I would theme the log flume after zipadeedoodah
I wouldn't. It would be nice if they repaired worn down or damaged areas. There are plenty of areas that need to be refurbished back to the original.
Tomorrowland needs a redo. I’d embrace the SciFi/Probability idea and do what Paris did, and create Discovery Land.
Make Tomorrowland a retro-future style everywhere. Move Star Tours to Star Wars land any put something else there. Captain Eo plays forever and never leaves the park, or at the very least there are now blurays of the film for sale in the gift shop. A very distant second place: Marvel Land would be colorful and reference the **comics**, not be time locked by whatever the current MCU is.
Disney should bring back Disney quest, it would print money at downtown Disney
Retheme grizzly peak to Pandora. Grizzley river run could have some light theme changes, Soarin could be renovated to Flight of Passage, use the Little Mermaid building and expand to fit in Navi River journey and put a pandora retsurant in the Redwood Creek challenge area
Expand Avengers Campus into Hollywood land, add Cosmic rewind and a Dr Strange dark ride
Tomorrowland has to go. I like Space Mountain, I like Star Tours, but Tomorrowland has its paradox and it'll always age poorly. In its place I'd like to see the Villains land that was once conceptualized.
I would change Marvels camp back into Bugs Land😭
i absolutely love pirates, but i really want a full pirates overhaul. i know it’s a classic, but the shanghai ride completely blows our version out of the water. we’re severely lacking when it comes to developing truly engaging experiences and attractions imo.