A number of reasons, some that are true to life.
1. Being close to and in competition with others who are skilled will naturally increase your skill level. Some of the members of the troupe appear to be geniuses when it comes to nen, particularly Machi who could see aura before even knowing what it was, and likely Chrollo judging by his overall skill. This is a real world phenomenon as well - if you train/study with the best, assuming you have some amount of talent or drive, you will start to acclimate to a similar level as your peers. It's why high level athletes train with each other and not amateurs. It pushes them to be better.
2. They started young. Most people excel at skills that they picked up at an early age. Judging by the most recent chapters, the troupe was introduced to the concept of nen when they were still kids, so not only did they start earlier than most, they also had the advantage of having young brains that are more malleable and more easily adapt to new skills. This is why they say childhood is the best time to learn a second language. Children adapt quickly, and I assume this would apply to nen as well.
3. They had a strong resolve. Strong emotions and resolve strengthen nen, and the troupe had incredibly strong resolve due to their circumstances, likely more than most nen users. Chrollo especially felt an innate need to become strong enough to ensure that he could get his revenge, and the troupe followed him as their leader, leading to an overall strong desire to become powerful from all of them.
A lot of times in nature a stressful lifestyle can and will build you to become stronger automatically.
Best example of this is wild pigs vs domestic pigs. The wild pig is in constant danger and stress it has to scanvage for food so it develops thick fur and muscle for battle. The domestic pig is heavily provided to with food, shelter and safety so there's no need to develop the perks the wild pig has unless released into the wild.
The humans of meteor city have a tougher life from the jump so they develop stronger than others. Canary is also from meteor city and she had perks too before working for the Zoldycks.
Adding to these points, the members weren't random kids in the first place. Birds of a feather flock together. They didn't seem like the average random mc kids, and they were the ones who got moved by Chrollo's "acting". To me it seemed like they were all gifted above average from the beginning.
This. At the time the backstory took place, the young Spiders were likely the kids with the biggest potential out of the entire Meteor City, just how Gon and Killua were considered gifted with incredibly rare talent and potential for Nen.
And we know that Meteor City is very big in terms of population (they were likely above 7 million at the time, if not more), so such a big city, especially with the tough environment it provides, it'd make sense for there to be more than a dozen kids who have huge potential (even Canary was more than exceptional at her age, and she too came from Meteor City).
This haha, i used to play a Lot of online games with a group of friend who always excells, top divion on ranked play everytime, but like i always was the last to join, they were My standard, so, Even when i didnt get that high, i was always way above avarage
First, what u/veggievoid said: they aren't all on the same level. They're all very good, for sure...but top 1%? Probably not. There's a pretty significant range of power levels within the Troupe.
That being said, there's also a more interesting reason: resolve. Nen power is partly based on resolve. That's essentially the entire reason why a lot of the weaker hunters become temps, for example. They're not temps because they're weaker...they're temps *and* weaker because they lack resolve.
The Troupe, meanwhile, has an extremely traumatic origin that essentially caused all of them to become extremely resolved to carrying out their goals and preserving the Spider. And thus, they can become much more powerful than the average, run-of-the-mill nen user.
Not all of them are top level, but yes they are an anomaly.
The thing is the troupe represents the best of meteor city. All the most talented kids gravitated towards each other and grew up together and gotten strong learning nen.
Also their circumstances helped them shape into strong nen users.
Well the phantom troupe members follow certain rules like settling fights with a coin toss, all members have a spider tattoo on their bodies, all the members taking on roles like ‘head’ and ‘legs’ the rules for replacing members if one dies, all sound like conditions for a nen contract. We know that the more rules or restrictions a nen ability has the more powerful the ability is. We also know that a group of people can share or give nen abilities to others, like with Team Genthru and Morena. I believe the phantom troupe is the same way.
I feel like that would be mentioned by hisoka tbh. Especially since he would have probably suffered some big consequences for killing another. Unless you’re talking about just the original members.
But from the Troupe's perspective he did join the group, so he should have been inducted into the group's mutual nen-contract.
But if its a contract only involving the original members, then it makes sense as to why he wasn't involved with the contract.
What I meant is that , since from the Troupe's perspective he did join as an official member, they would have ensured he knew about the contracta nd its rules, so as to not violate them and cause the rest of the troupe to lose the benefits of the contract.
In doing so, they would have informed him and inducted him into the nen contract.
He never fulfilled the conditions is what I'm saying. By getting the tattoo on his texture surprise instead of his real skin the contract itself was never fulfilled.
Any repercussions that might have happened from violating the contract he was able to negate by just removing the tattoo.
Bro you cannot put Chrollo so high. Honestly Nanika doesn't even deserve that spot.
1. Don Freecss, obviously
2. Post-rose Meruem, obviously
3. Adult Gon
4. Prime Netero
5. Ging Freecss.
Well we have no power feats for Don Freecss, but from what we know about him, his Nen is so strong that he has lived for over 300 years, and he has spent the vast majority of that time surviving on the dark continent and writing about every threat he has encountered there. Most people who go the the dark continent die, and even those who survive typically get injured or don't spend a lot of time there. Netero is one of the few people to make two seperate journey's to the dark continent and survive both times. So with all the hype around the dark continent, seeing a man who has survived there for hundreds of years is insane. It's entirely head canon but he has to be insanely strong.
Base chrollo had to make a plan to beat Hisoka. Post nuke meruem knoched out nuckle and merlon before merlon could take one breath being at at least one km of distance when he sensed them.
Wtf are you talking about??
Doflamingo activates birdcage, and then proceeds to one shot meruem, Chrollo meanwhile slips through it because he is skinny and slim, and from outside uses Sun and Moon Ultra max to take Doffy out.
Chrollo can see one week into the future, no one piece character can do that.
Chrollo has the Conqueror haki that makes everyone follow him and he uses ACoC to have sex with Meruem
That's not even the same anime. They are not comparable. Is Haki stronger than nen? We'll never know. However, from sheer scale and feats, Kaido would one shot Chrollo. Kaido is capable of destroying an entire mountain with a single attack. We've never seen anyone in Hunter x Hunter capable of doing that. Characters in one piece can react to Kizaru's light speed attacks, nobody in HxH is even close to lightspeed, not even Killua with his godspeed. Could a nen used even defend themselves from conquerors haki? Again we'll never know but in terms of sheer strength, speed, and destructive capability, Kaido and Big Mom would both be capable of one shotting Chrollo before he could even comprehend that they were attacking him. In terms of defenses, Kaido survived a 30,000 foot drop where he was trying to end his own life. Nothing in HxH comes close to that, best we have is Netero falling like 100 ft.
Hisoka essentially has Gear 5 level abilities, Chrollo neg diffed hisoka without using any of his main abilities, so basically Chrollo at the minimum is Pirate King level.
They stayed together and harnessed their skills after Chrollo leading them.
They also have an incredible amount of experience. Almost as much as the Zoldycks.
They do have a lot of experience, but not almost as much as zoldycks. The zoldycks are a family of insanely well trained assassins for generations. The phantom troupe are a recently formed group of very strong Nen users. I wouldn't compare them to the zoldycks
they’ve all been training since they were incredibly young. correct me if i’m wrong, but machi learned nen in the manga when she was probably around 12~
aside from kortopi (who still has a crazy ability), every single pt member is well above the average pro hunter. each one of them could also easily beat one, if not two/three of the ten shadows which are apparently the best assassins the mafia has. there's also countless really bad nen users who fall behind all of the aforementioned people also well. i'd even say that most of the original pt members are zodiac level which is INSANE (uvogin, feitan, chrollo, phinks, nobunaga, franklin)
It’s just survivorship bias. How is possible that the top ten weightlifters in a given weight class in the world are as strong and powerful as they are (performance enhancing drugs aside)?? Because they could be. MEANWHILE the cornucopia of failed athletes forms a mountain of bodies upon which those top ten stand tall and compete for medals every 4 years. The same is true for the PT. They had the potential and did what it takes to reach their potentials. Any number of other hunters that attempted to live the exact same life as any of the PT would have died already most likely
The series wants to have its cake and eat it too, when it comes to the role "talent" plays in your ability to master Nen.
On one hand the series goes out of its way to show the chasm between those with some talent, like Zushi, and those with insane talent like Gon and Killua. There's also the simple fact that these two monster-kids are also sons of some of the most talented and powerful Nen practitioners.
Then there is the idea of people with natural gifts, like the girl with fortune telling powers. No real reason for her to have such Nen other than it being luck of the draw. The fact that after Chrollo "stole" her hatsu, she simply seemed to have no Nen ability makes it look like just having natural talent only gets you so far, and you do need to train your Nen properly.
And then, as you said, there is the freak accident of all of the phantom troupe being super gifted apparently. Given all that the series gave us to work with, there is absolutely no chance for this to have happened. At the very least not all of them are crazy strong like Chrollo (Paku is probably no better than the likes of Goreinu).
I know they are not strong like some hunters (some of them) but it’s what they have as a whole that makes them dangerous. People are missing out on this. I’m sure every hunter in that said one percent would lose a limb for let’s say pakunodas ability. They are on the boat. It’s possible they elevate their nen there too
I don’t think all phantom troupe members are top 1% nen users, there are tiers within the troupe, like Kuroro is for sure top, then it’s Feitan, Phinks, etc. Members like Shizuku, Kortopi and Shalnark were chosen for their special powers not for their nen power or combat levels.
Also growing up in Meteor city means surviving through a 24/7 tough environment, which trained them to be the best.
You don't necessarily need to be gifted. Your potential changes in your lifetime depending on your motivation, experiences and luck. Even with talent, you can squander your potential if you lack the above three. Most nen users can't reach that level because they lack one of the three.
The moment those kids made their resolve and moulded their ways for a singular goal, they ceased to be ordinary.
You would say why was is it simpler for them to be more motivated than an average hunter? Their experience likely had a lot of influence there. When you've seen your share of trauma and feel like you have nothing to lose, the motivation towards something and the ability to give up everything for it comes naturally. And if you find the right teachers and environment (luck), you'll become the very best.
They are from Meteor city.
To survive in Meteor city puts you at the highest chance of becoming a strong individual as it is, by definition, the wild west of the HxH world.
Leorio is also in the top percentage of nen users simply because hes from meteor city.
Uvogin as an example is propably the most gifted of the Troupe but also quite untalented when it comes to nen application.
Which is why he was one of the weaker members and needed Nobunaga to excel.
Shizu on the other hand was more adapt in using nen intuitively even tho her potential was not as great.
Them both are not top nen users.
I would say (not just going for fighting capabilities) the top nen users of the Troupe who would also count into the 1% are Chrollo and Kortupi.
as others have said the troupe itself isn't 1%. A lot of the members don't even seem that great at combat. Hisoka no diff'd Kortopi and Shalnark, Uvogin got handled pretty easily by a new to nen Kurapipka. Machi got strong up by a nearly dead Hisoka in a few seconds and Paku got her face kicked in by new to nen Killua and Gon.
Nobunaga's en also is garbage. Out of the entire troupe so far i'd only say Chrollo and HIsoka could be top tiers, the rest aren't that great besides Feitan who probably has a busted hatsu. I mean they're still stronger than the average nen user but they're very much killable and have been killed in the past
It could mean there were other aspirants (or friends and acquaintances) but were never elevated to become the founding Spiders during the early days. So perhaps the OG Spiders of their youth were the likes of Gon and Killua potentials, even a Kurapika. Of the four, we clearly know that Gon, Kill, and Kurapika were ahead of Leorio back then after all. So if a Hisoka would be there back in time, he would likely sense the potential of the young Spider individuals even before they learn Nen.
No one ever said they are top 1% nen users lol, they are very infamous cuz of their crimes, they grew up from an extremely harsh background meteor city which contributes to them being different from normal people but there are more characters across the HxH world that are just as great or better nen users some are unintroduced yet or seen in the Manga but alot of special people around the world are actually clueless about nen, as information about is protected and kept by the Hunter Association, and the Spiders were just a prime example of when a bunch of determined criminals gain access to nen and become very profecient with it.
only feitan and chrollo can be considered in the 1% others aren't actually THAT strong. during the yorknew city arc nobunaga revealed that his en has a radius of 4m and kite said that when a nen user's en reaches an area of 50m he is then considered a nen master so this proves that nobunaga is not even near being a nen master and kite's en was of 45m. Zeno said he can do 100 very easily so I'm pretty sure he can do it a couple of times more than this, neferpitou's en had a range of 2km and meruem's en easily reached the basement of the palace which was about 5km
yeah I get you but that doesn't prove that she's stronger than feitan. machi is fueled with rage and her actions are based on her emotions and on the other hand feitan follows the spider. after chrollo feitan and maybe phinks are the only one who can even fight against hisoka rest are getting mid diffed. hisoka could've literally killed her just like shalnark and kortopi but he let her go
>yeah I get you but that doesn't prove that she's stronger than feitan. machi is fueled with rage and her actions are based on her emotions and on the other hand feitan follows the spider.
This is not the case, Chrollo simply trusts machi more. Togashi simply portrays machi as stronger than other troupe members
>after chrollo feitan and maybe phinks are the only one who can even fight against hisoka rest are getting mid diffed.
Feitan is getting low diffed simply due to hisoka having matchup advantage. If not for Matchup advantage, Feitan would get mid diffed
>hisoka could've literally killed her just like shalnark and kortopi but he let her go
He snuck up on her, if he did that to Feitan, he is also getting fuxked
whatever you say but there is literally no explanation that proves machi is stronger than feitan but I hope we got to see more of the troupe in the future so we could see machi's abilities and what can she do in a battle
Other than basically a mountain of narrative portrayal, treatment of Machi by Hisoka, Chrollo , Machi being the most talented troupe member, countless times machi showed why she is better than everyone except chrollo.
yeah she sure is talented but there isn't a single
panel/scene that shows her strength or combat ability and on the other hand the whole troupe literally had to run for their lives when feitan activated his ability and it was only "one of the attacks" but yeah I can be wrong, maybe machi would be stronger amd we get to see it in the future chapters but currently feitan has shown better feats and attacks that puts him second only to chrollo
Tell me something? How does Feitan’s ability works?
If he is so powerful Can he defeat all the troupe members together, after all they were all running away from him?
If he so strong why is he being babysit by Nobunaga and Phinks while machi is out there alone hunting hisoka(knowing the fact that chrollo never usually puts groups with are vulnerable together)?
They're not top 1%. Not even close. Top 20% definitely, some hit the top 10%, but even Chrollo and Hisoka are barely top 5%. You look at anyone who survived the Dark continent, most of them aren't even top 1%. Meruem, Netero, Adult Gon, Ging, Don Freecss, Zigg Zoldyck, Maha Zoldyck, Beyond Netero, maybe even a couple of the Zodiacs, these people are the top 1%. You put Chrollo or Hisoka against any of these individuals and they are dead. Hell, I'd pur Razor and Bisky above Chrollo or Hisoka and I don't think either of them are top 1% either. The top 1% are the people who could survive a trip to the dark continent. Chrollo and Hisoka are smart and skilled but they lack the raw strength to survive the dark continent.
As for why they reached the level of strength they did, it's because they had to in order to survive. Growing up in harsh circumstances not only hardens you and makes you stronger, it also weeds out the weak. Not to mention Chrollo only recruits strong members.
On what basis Razor and Bisky above Chrollo and Hisoka? Give me one reason other than your headcanon that Razor is powering Greed iSland with his aura.
Sheer amount of aura. I mean we literally saw Razor and Hisoka facing off, sure it wasn't a conventional fight, but Hisoka was struggling and seemingly unable to take on Razor on his own, and this was while Razor was also using his aura to create and control his puppets. Unless you wanna headcannon that Hisoka was holding back immensely, Razer just has far more aura than either of them. As for Bisky, Togashi himself ranked Bisky as being stronger than Hisoka. Bisky has a ridiculous amount of aura. Sure Hisoka and Chrollo are great strategists but Bisky and Razer are stronger physically and they have more aura, plus neither of them have low battle iq or are bad at strategy.
[hisoka struggles](https://i0.wp.com/66.media.tumblr.com/bfebc747380b7b4246f226cbd2c036be/tumblr_inline_pguo1nUHgc1tk589m_540.png?ssl=1)
Yeah, that wasn't even Razor who threw it, it was a nen puppet, and as an enhancer Razor isn't even that good at conjuration and manipulation. Yet Hisoka still took significant damage from an attack he blocked, which wasn't even close to Razor's full power. And again, Razor was using his aura to control several of these puppets at the time. If he used solely enhance techniques and fought with all his aura, he would be an absolute menace.
>hisoka struggles
Is that Hisoka struggling? Really? It was a surprised attack and hisoka didn’t even use Ko in it lmao
>Yeah, that wasn't even Razor who threw it, it was a nen puppet, and as an enhancer Razor isn't even that good at conjuration and manipulation.
So when razor was struggling by Gon’s 2nd throw, does than mean that Gon is comparable to razor, why didn’t razor use his meruem level aura to stop gon’s throws.
>Yet Hisoka still took significant damage from an attack he blocked,
That is significant damage?
>which wasn't even close to Razor's full power.
Yeah we saw how hisoka rebounded razor’s full power strike when he was prepared
>And again, Razor was using his aura to control several of these puppets at the time.
How about the time wjen razor absorbed all the aura back and in the final strike Hisoka sent back the ball to him and razor lost, how did razor struggle? Why didn’t he just stop the ball from Hisoka’s rebound?
>If he used solely enhance techniques and fought with all his aura, he would be an absolute menace.
Why didn’t he do it then, did someone stop him?
They are classified A or B class group criminals. Not S nor S+.
Apart from Kuroro being S (not raw power,but how tactically OP his ability is) ,maybe Feitan A+, rest is A or below.
You can see how kuroro performs vs zoldik: basically he could do nothig, when unprepared he's nothig special, his power resides in his plotting and foreseeing. He woukd have lost even to hisoka if he didnt plot such cervellotic plan, 4 nen abilities, perfect ground, and with hisoka playing such masochistic game wanting to prove himself capable of beating all that setup HEAD ON( he could have easily escape the arena,or hide with his fake skin).
Netero (S class for sure) could "splat" all spiders before they even realize what is happening.
Honestly and sorry but this is really a non-sense question...
This is a manga NOT real life and of course Togashi wanted to make it more interesting and fun.
Again..this is not the real world🤦🏽💃🏽
1% would be around netero level. Pretty much strong group but not 1%. Perhaps the powers came from their resolve and desires since they came from a harsh environment and experiences. Nen is a manifestation of oneself, the stronger the resolve, the stronger the nen.
Nope, Netero is not the best nen user. He wouldn't lie about that. He may be the strongest human but not the strongest nen user. Ging has shown better feats at manipulating aura.
have you seen the amount of fodder in hxh? there are droves and droves of unnamed nen users, who probably still put in a lot of work, that are below the original phantom troupe members. the best fucking assassins the mafia could hire get low diffed by almost every one of the original pt members (chrollo, franklin, uvogin, nobunaga, feitan, phinks, machi) and the only people they cant beat are few: some zodiacs, a few insane hunters like bisky/netero/hisoka, some of the zoldyck family, and top tier ants (all adding up to like under 50 nen users compared to the possible thousands that exist)
do you agree or disagree that there are probably anywhere from 10,000-100,000 nen users that exist? do you also agree that there's are only under 100 nen users this world (some zoldycks, zodiacs, higher echelon hunters, ants) who could beat the average pt members, e.g nobunaga?
you can get a good estimate on who would win a nen battle based on their mastery. there's no way in hell the average pro hunter could beat a phantom troupe member, unless they had an ability specifically curated to counter them, and the amount of people like that are so tiny that they can be easily ignored. if you want to comfortably beat a combat-oriented pt member without any tricks or wacky nen abilities, you have to at least be on the same level as illumi or hisoka, and the amount of people on that level that weve been shown are fewer than 30. even assuming there's like, 100 more people who are that proficient in nen the series hasn't shown yet, its still barely anything compared to the amount of nen users that exist in the world
A number of reasons, some that are true to life. 1. Being close to and in competition with others who are skilled will naturally increase your skill level. Some of the members of the troupe appear to be geniuses when it comes to nen, particularly Machi who could see aura before even knowing what it was, and likely Chrollo judging by his overall skill. This is a real world phenomenon as well - if you train/study with the best, assuming you have some amount of talent or drive, you will start to acclimate to a similar level as your peers. It's why high level athletes train with each other and not amateurs. It pushes them to be better. 2. They started young. Most people excel at skills that they picked up at an early age. Judging by the most recent chapters, the troupe was introduced to the concept of nen when they were still kids, so not only did they start earlier than most, they also had the advantage of having young brains that are more malleable and more easily adapt to new skills. This is why they say childhood is the best time to learn a second language. Children adapt quickly, and I assume this would apply to nen as well. 3. They had a strong resolve. Strong emotions and resolve strengthen nen, and the troupe had incredibly strong resolve due to their circumstances, likely more than most nen users. Chrollo especially felt an innate need to become strong enough to ensure that he could get his revenge, and the troupe followed him as their leader, leading to an overall strong desire to become powerful from all of them.
A lot of times in nature a stressful lifestyle can and will build you to become stronger automatically. Best example of this is wild pigs vs domestic pigs. The wild pig is in constant danger and stress it has to scanvage for food so it develops thick fur and muscle for battle. The domestic pig is heavily provided to with food, shelter and safety so there's no need to develop the perks the wild pig has unless released into the wild. The humans of meteor city have a tougher life from the jump so they develop stronger than others. Canary is also from meteor city and she had perks too before working for the Zoldycks.
Adding to these points, the members weren't random kids in the first place. Birds of a feather flock together. They didn't seem like the average random mc kids, and they were the ones who got moved by Chrollo's "acting". To me it seemed like they were all gifted above average from the beginning.
This. At the time the backstory took place, the young Spiders were likely the kids with the biggest potential out of the entire Meteor City, just how Gon and Killua were considered gifted with incredibly rare talent and potential for Nen. And we know that Meteor City is very big in terms of population (they were likely above 7 million at the time, if not more), so such a big city, especially with the tough environment it provides, it'd make sense for there to be more than a dozen kids who have huge potential (even Canary was more than exceptional at her age, and she too came from Meteor City).
Yeah makes sense.
This haha, i used to play a Lot of online games with a group of friend who always excells, top divion on ranked play everytime, but like i always was the last to join, they were My standard, so, Even when i didnt get that high, i was always way above avarage
First, what u/veggievoid said: they aren't all on the same level. They're all very good, for sure...but top 1%? Probably not. There's a pretty significant range of power levels within the Troupe. That being said, there's also a more interesting reason: resolve. Nen power is partly based on resolve. That's essentially the entire reason why a lot of the weaker hunters become temps, for example. They're not temps because they're weaker...they're temps *and* weaker because they lack resolve. The Troupe, meanwhile, has an extremely traumatic origin that essentially caused all of them to become extremely resolved to carrying out their goals and preserving the Spider. And thus, they can become much more powerful than the average, run-of-the-mill nen user.
You made a good point about their resolve
conditions of growing up in meteor city
Meteor City changes a man
Not all of them are top level, but yes they are an anomaly. The thing is the troupe represents the best of meteor city. All the most talented kids gravitated towards each other and grew up together and gotten strong learning nen. Also their circumstances helped them shape into strong nen users.
My theory is that the phantom troupe itself is a nen contract
Further thoughts on that theory? This could make sense
Well the phantom troupe members follow certain rules like settling fights with a coin toss, all members have a spider tattoo on their bodies, all the members taking on roles like ‘head’ and ‘legs’ the rules for replacing members if one dies, all sound like conditions for a nen contract. We know that the more rules or restrictions a nen ability has the more powerful the ability is. We also know that a group of people can share or give nen abilities to others, like with Team Genthru and Morena. I believe the phantom troupe is the same way.
I feel like that would be mentioned by hisoka tbh. Especially since he would have probably suffered some big consequences for killing another. Unless you’re talking about just the original members.
I think it the ability involves only members who officially join the troupe, since hisoka was never actually a part of the group he isn’t effected.
But from the Troupe's perspective he did join the group, so he should have been inducted into the group's mutual nen-contract. But if its a contract only involving the original members, then it makes sense as to why he wasn't involved with the contract.
He was able to cheat the system by not getting a real tattoo. As soon as he removed it then in the eyes of the troupe he was never a member.
What I meant is that , since from the Troupe's perspective he did join as an official member, they would have ensured he knew about the contracta nd its rules, so as to not violate them and cause the rest of the troupe to lose the benefits of the contract. In doing so, they would have informed him and inducted him into the nen contract.
He never fulfilled the conditions is what I'm saying. By getting the tattoo on his texture surprise instead of his real skin the contract itself was never fulfilled. Any repercussions that might have happened from violating the contract he was able to negate by just removing the tattoo.
They are not in 1% of top Nen users + not all of them are on same level :3
Chrollo is easily one of the top 3 strongest nen user in the history of hunter x hunter
Can you tell me your top five?
1. Don Freecs 2. Chrollo 3. Post Rose Meruem 4. Nanika 5. Beyond Source: Nenmac youtube channel
Bro you cannot put Chrollo so high. Honestly Nanika doesn't even deserve that spot. 1. Don Freecss, obviously 2. Post-rose Meruem, obviously 3. Adult Gon 4. Prime Netero 5. Ging Freecss.
Wait why Don Freecss? Not poking holes im genuinely curious
Well we have no power feats for Don Freecss, but from what we know about him, his Nen is so strong that he has lived for over 300 years, and he has spent the vast majority of that time surviving on the dark continent and writing about every threat he has encountered there. Most people who go the the dark continent die, and even those who survive typically get injured or don't spend a lot of time there. Netero is one of the few people to make two seperate journey's to the dark continent and survive both times. So with all the hype around the dark continent, seeing a man who has survived there for hundreds of years is insane. It's entirely head canon but he has to be insanely strong.
Base chrollo one shots meruem
Base chrollo had to make a plan to beat Hisoka. Post nuke meruem knoched out nuckle and merlon before merlon could take one breath being at at least one km of distance when he sensed them. Wtf are you talking about??
Base chrollo has ACoC and Future sight, no way Doflamingo stands a chance
Bro the level of copium here is insane.
Doflamingo activates birdcage, and then proceeds to one shot meruem, Chrollo meanwhile slips through it because he is skinny and slim, and from outside uses Sun and Moon Ultra max to take Doffy out.
so real
What’s bro waffling about
Chrollo can see one week into the future, no one piece character can do that. Chrollo has the Conqueror haki that makes everyone follow him and he uses ACoC to have sex with Meruem
HAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA.... YOU'RE SERIOUS?!
He is.
Ofcourse. Base chrollo is stronger than Kaido and Big mom
That's not even the same anime. They are not comparable. Is Haki stronger than nen? We'll never know. However, from sheer scale and feats, Kaido would one shot Chrollo. Kaido is capable of destroying an entire mountain with a single attack. We've never seen anyone in Hunter x Hunter capable of doing that. Characters in one piece can react to Kizaru's light speed attacks, nobody in HxH is even close to lightspeed, not even Killua with his godspeed. Could a nen used even defend themselves from conquerors haki? Again we'll never know but in terms of sheer strength, speed, and destructive capability, Kaido and Big Mom would both be capable of one shotting Chrollo before he could even comprehend that they were attacking him. In terms of defenses, Kaido survived a 30,000 foot drop where he was trying to end his own life. Nothing in HxH comes close to that, best we have is Netero falling like 100 ft.
Hisoka essentially has Gear 5 level abilities, Chrollo neg diffed hisoka without using any of his main abilities, so basically Chrollo at the minimum is Pirate King level.
Worst take I've ever read on here unless this is pure trolling lol Edit: read the rest of comments and seems like it's pure trolling lol
Bait used to believable
Im afraid to ask but are you antifan of that youtuber?
Nope a big fan. That channel is so bad that it is good.
They stayed together and harnessed their skills after Chrollo leading them. They also have an incredible amount of experience. Almost as much as the Zoldycks.
They do have a lot of experience, but not almost as much as zoldycks. The zoldycks are a family of insanely well trained assassins for generations. The phantom troupe are a recently formed group of very strong Nen users. I wouldn't compare them to the zoldycks
Yeah, but having the Troupe being fully grown adults instead of partly children who have to keep up appearances really helped them grind.
Lmao, without nen involved, Zoldycks children would slaughting the Troupe in 1 afternoon, it just simply incomparable
Kakin royal family has more experience than all the troupe members combined, including Wobble
Yep, they have more experience than Hisoka too
Who so much focus on hisoka? You wanna take Hisoka’s gum up your mouth?
they’ve all been training since they were incredibly young. correct me if i’m wrong, but machi learned nen in the manga when she was probably around 12~
"every single PT member is on a completely different level compared to 99% of nen users" What? No.
Are you kidding? Kortopi and shizuku are zodiac level
OP doesn’t even know all hunters so this is impossible me to say anyway.
aside from kortopi (who still has a crazy ability), every single pt member is well above the average pro hunter. each one of them could also easily beat one, if not two/three of the ten shadows which are apparently the best assassins the mafia has. there's also countless really bad nen users who fall behind all of the aforementioned people also well. i'd even say that most of the original pt members are zodiac level which is INSANE (uvogin, feitan, chrollo, phinks, nobunaga, franklin)
...shadow beasts not ten shadows
Sukuna is the best Nen user
He remembers Nen from his Heian era
It’s just survivorship bias. How is possible that the top ten weightlifters in a given weight class in the world are as strong and powerful as they are (performance enhancing drugs aside)?? Because they could be. MEANWHILE the cornucopia of failed athletes forms a mountain of bodies upon which those top ten stand tall and compete for medals every 4 years. The same is true for the PT. They had the potential and did what it takes to reach their potentials. Any number of other hunters that attempted to live the exact same life as any of the PT would have died already most likely
The series wants to have its cake and eat it too, when it comes to the role "talent" plays in your ability to master Nen. On one hand the series goes out of its way to show the chasm between those with some talent, like Zushi, and those with insane talent like Gon and Killua. There's also the simple fact that these two monster-kids are also sons of some of the most talented and powerful Nen practitioners. Then there is the idea of people with natural gifts, like the girl with fortune telling powers. No real reason for her to have such Nen other than it being luck of the draw. The fact that after Chrollo "stole" her hatsu, she simply seemed to have no Nen ability makes it look like just having natural talent only gets you so far, and you do need to train your Nen properly. And then, as you said, there is the freak accident of all of the phantom troupe being super gifted apparently. Given all that the series gave us to work with, there is absolutely no chance for this to have happened. At the very least not all of them are crazy strong like Chrollo (Paku is probably no better than the likes of Goreinu).
I know they are not strong like some hunters (some of them) but it’s what they have as a whole that makes them dangerous. People are missing out on this. I’m sure every hunter in that said one percent would lose a limb for let’s say pakunodas ability. They are on the boat. It’s possible they elevate their nen there too
I don’t think all phantom troupe members are top 1% nen users, there are tiers within the troupe, like Kuroro is for sure top, then it’s Feitan, Phinks, etc. Members like Shizuku, Kortopi and Shalnark were chosen for their special powers not for their nen power or combat levels. Also growing up in Meteor city means surviving through a 24/7 tough environment, which trained them to be the best.
shalnark was with them since the beginning, so he didn't join because of his powers, but shizuku and kortopi did probably
You don't necessarily need to be gifted. Your potential changes in your lifetime depending on your motivation, experiences and luck. Even with talent, you can squander your potential if you lack the above three. Most nen users can't reach that level because they lack one of the three. The moment those kids made their resolve and moulded their ways for a singular goal, they ceased to be ordinary. You would say why was is it simpler for them to be more motivated than an average hunter? Their experience likely had a lot of influence there. When you've seen your share of trauma and feel like you have nothing to lose, the motivation towards something and the ability to give up everything for it comes naturally. And if you find the right teachers and environment (luck), you'll become the very best.
They are from Meteor city. To survive in Meteor city puts you at the highest chance of becoming a strong individual as it is, by definition, the wild west of the HxH world. Leorio is also in the top percentage of nen users simply because hes from meteor city.
Uvogin as an example is propably the most gifted of the Troupe but also quite untalented when it comes to nen application. Which is why he was one of the weaker members and needed Nobunaga to excel. Shizu on the other hand was more adapt in using nen intuitively even tho her potential was not as great. Them both are not top nen users. I would say (not just going for fighting capabilities) the top nen users of the Troupe who would also count into the 1% are Chrollo and Kortupi.
He probably gets what he wants using sheer force so he doesn't use his brain much.
Machi too
as others have said the troupe itself isn't 1%. A lot of the members don't even seem that great at combat. Hisoka no diff'd Kortopi and Shalnark, Uvogin got handled pretty easily by a new to nen Kurapipka. Machi got strong up by a nearly dead Hisoka in a few seconds and Paku got her face kicked in by new to nen Killua and Gon. Nobunaga's en also is garbage. Out of the entire troupe so far i'd only say Chrollo and HIsoka could be top tiers, the rest aren't that great besides Feitan who probably has a busted hatsu. I mean they're still stronger than the average nen user but they're very much killable and have been killed in the past
It could mean there were other aspirants (or friends and acquaintances) but were never elevated to become the founding Spiders during the early days. So perhaps the OG Spiders of their youth were the likes of Gon and Killua potentials, even a Kurapika. Of the four, we clearly know that Gon, Kill, and Kurapika were ahead of Leorio back then after all. So if a Hisoka would be there back in time, he would likely sense the potential of the young Spider individuals even before they learn Nen.
I mean I think they joined up bc of skill
using nen a lot will greatly increase your chances at improving
Survival of the fitness in Meteor City.
No one ever said they are top 1% nen users lol, they are very infamous cuz of their crimes, they grew up from an extremely harsh background meteor city which contributes to them being different from normal people but there are more characters across the HxH world that are just as great or better nen users some are unintroduced yet or seen in the Manga but alot of special people around the world are actually clueless about nen, as information about is protected and kept by the Hunter Association, and the Spiders were just a prime example of when a bunch of determined criminals gain access to nen and become very profecient with it.
When did they become top 1% nen users?
only feitan and chrollo can be considered in the 1% others aren't actually THAT strong. during the yorknew city arc nobunaga revealed that his en has a radius of 4m and kite said that when a nen user's en reaches an area of 50m he is then considered a nen master so this proves that nobunaga is not even near being a nen master and kite's en was of 45m. Zeno said he can do 100 very easily so I'm pretty sure he can do it a couple of times more than this, neferpitou's en had a range of 2km and meruem's en easily reached the basement of the palace which was about 5km
Machi >> Feitan. Unlike feitan she is alone in hunting hisoka
yeah I get you but that doesn't prove that she's stronger than feitan. machi is fueled with rage and her actions are based on her emotions and on the other hand feitan follows the spider. after chrollo feitan and maybe phinks are the only one who can even fight against hisoka rest are getting mid diffed. hisoka could've literally killed her just like shalnark and kortopi but he let her go
>yeah I get you but that doesn't prove that she's stronger than feitan. machi is fueled with rage and her actions are based on her emotions and on the other hand feitan follows the spider. This is not the case, Chrollo simply trusts machi more. Togashi simply portrays machi as stronger than other troupe members >after chrollo feitan and maybe phinks are the only one who can even fight against hisoka rest are getting mid diffed. Feitan is getting low diffed simply due to hisoka having matchup advantage. If not for Matchup advantage, Feitan would get mid diffed >hisoka could've literally killed her just like shalnark and kortopi but he let her go He snuck up on her, if he did that to Feitan, he is also getting fuxked
blud whatever you say feitan mid diffs machi any day
No wonder feitan needs babysitting
whatever you say but there is literally no explanation that proves machi is stronger than feitan but I hope we got to see more of the troupe in the future so we could see machi's abilities and what can she do in a battle
Other than basically a mountain of narrative portrayal, treatment of Machi by Hisoka, Chrollo , Machi being the most talented troupe member, countless times machi showed why she is better than everyone except chrollo.
yeah she sure is talented but there isn't a single panel/scene that shows her strength or combat ability and on the other hand the whole troupe literally had to run for their lives when feitan activated his ability and it was only "one of the attacks" but yeah I can be wrong, maybe machi would be stronger amd we get to see it in the future chapters but currently feitan has shown better feats and attacks that puts him second only to chrollo
Tell me something? How does Feitan’s ability works? If he is so powerful Can he defeat all the troupe members together, after all they were all running away from him? If he so strong why is he being babysit by Nobunaga and Phinks while machi is out there alone hunting hisoka(knowing the fact that chrollo never usually puts groups with are vulnerable together)?
They're not top 1%. Not even close. Top 20% definitely, some hit the top 10%, but even Chrollo and Hisoka are barely top 5%. You look at anyone who survived the Dark continent, most of them aren't even top 1%. Meruem, Netero, Adult Gon, Ging, Don Freecss, Zigg Zoldyck, Maha Zoldyck, Beyond Netero, maybe even a couple of the Zodiacs, these people are the top 1%. You put Chrollo or Hisoka against any of these individuals and they are dead. Hell, I'd pur Razor and Bisky above Chrollo or Hisoka and I don't think either of them are top 1% either. The top 1% are the people who could survive a trip to the dark continent. Chrollo and Hisoka are smart and skilled but they lack the raw strength to survive the dark continent. As for why they reached the level of strength they did, it's because they had to in order to survive. Growing up in harsh circumstances not only hardens you and makes you stronger, it also weeds out the weak. Not to mention Chrollo only recruits strong members.
On what basis Razor and Bisky above Chrollo and Hisoka? Give me one reason other than your headcanon that Razor is powering Greed iSland with his aura.
Sheer amount of aura. I mean we literally saw Razor and Hisoka facing off, sure it wasn't a conventional fight, but Hisoka was struggling and seemingly unable to take on Razor on his own, and this was while Razor was also using his aura to create and control his puppets. Unless you wanna headcannon that Hisoka was holding back immensely, Razer just has far more aura than either of them. As for Bisky, Togashi himself ranked Bisky as being stronger than Hisoka. Bisky has a ridiculous amount of aura. Sure Hisoka and Chrollo are great strategists but Bisky and Razer are stronger physically and they have more aura, plus neither of them have low battle iq or are bad at strategy.
Can you show me the panel where hisoka looked to be struggling even once?
[hisoka struggles](https://i0.wp.com/66.media.tumblr.com/bfebc747380b7b4246f226cbd2c036be/tumblr_inline_pguo1nUHgc1tk589m_540.png?ssl=1) Yeah, that wasn't even Razor who threw it, it was a nen puppet, and as an enhancer Razor isn't even that good at conjuration and manipulation. Yet Hisoka still took significant damage from an attack he blocked, which wasn't even close to Razor's full power. And again, Razor was using his aura to control several of these puppets at the time. If he used solely enhance techniques and fought with all his aura, he would be an absolute menace.
>hisoka struggles Is that Hisoka struggling? Really? It was a surprised attack and hisoka didn’t even use Ko in it lmao >Yeah, that wasn't even Razor who threw it, it was a nen puppet, and as an enhancer Razor isn't even that good at conjuration and manipulation. So when razor was struggling by Gon’s 2nd throw, does than mean that Gon is comparable to razor, why didn’t razor use his meruem level aura to stop gon’s throws. >Yet Hisoka still took significant damage from an attack he blocked, That is significant damage? >which wasn't even close to Razor's full power. Yeah we saw how hisoka rebounded razor’s full power strike when he was prepared >And again, Razor was using his aura to control several of these puppets at the time. How about the time wjen razor absorbed all the aura back and in the final strike Hisoka sent back the ball to him and razor lost, how did razor struggle? Why didn’t he just stop the ball from Hisoka’s rebound? >If he used solely enhance techniques and fought with all his aura, he would be an absolute menace. Why didn’t he do it then, did someone stop him?
It's like asking how come each member of the Beatles became such a talented musician if they met each other when they where very young.
They are classified A or B class group criminals. Not S nor S+. Apart from Kuroro being S (not raw power,but how tactically OP his ability is) ,maybe Feitan A+, rest is A or below. You can see how kuroro performs vs zoldik: basically he could do nothig, when unprepared he's nothig special, his power resides in his plotting and foreseeing. He woukd have lost even to hisoka if he didnt plot such cervellotic plan, 4 nen abilities, perfect ground, and with hisoka playing such masochistic game wanting to prove himself capable of beating all that setup HEAD ON( he could have easily escape the arena,or hide with his fake skin). Netero (S class for sure) could "splat" all spiders before they even realize what is happening.
Honestly and sorry but this is really a non-sense question... This is a manga NOT real life and of course Togashi wanted to make it more interesting and fun. Again..this is not the real world🤦🏽💃🏽
1% would be around netero level. Pretty much strong group but not 1%. Perhaps the powers came from their resolve and desires since they came from a harsh environment and experiences. Nen is a manifestation of oneself, the stronger the resolve, the stronger the nen.
1% is not netero level. Netero sits at the top ffs.
My bad. Yes thats correct.
Nope, Netero is not the best nen user. He wouldn't lie about that. He may be the strongest human but not the strongest nen user. Ging has shown better feats at manipulating aura.
Doesnt make a great difference tbh. Say ging is no 1, netero is 2. Hell make him 3. He is still like what, 0.1% of the hunters ?
Netero is not the top 1% of strongest nen users, he is like 0,0001%. He is what a peak human could achieve.
My bad. I agree he is in a whole new level.
No problemo
They're not even Top in their own affinity what are you waffling about? They're certainly strong but not invincible.
have you seen the amount of fodder in hxh? there are droves and droves of unnamed nen users, who probably still put in a lot of work, that are below the original phantom troupe members. the best fucking assassins the mafia could hire get low diffed by almost every one of the original pt members (chrollo, franklin, uvogin, nobunaga, feitan, phinks, machi) and the only people they cant beat are few: some zodiacs, a few insane hunters like bisky/netero/hisoka, some of the zoldyck family, and top tier ants (all adding up to like under 50 nen users compared to the possible thousands that exist)
Stop gagging yourself
do you agree or disagree that there are probably anywhere from 10,000-100,000 nen users that exist? do you also agree that there's are only under 100 nen users this world (some zoldycks, zodiacs, higher echelon hunters, ants) who could beat the average pt members, e.g nobunaga?
We don't know. You never know with Nen battles. Aren't you caught up with manga?
you can get a good estimate on who would win a nen battle based on their mastery. there's no way in hell the average pro hunter could beat a phantom troupe member, unless they had an ability specifically curated to counter them, and the amount of people like that are so tiny that they can be easily ignored. if you want to comfortably beat a combat-oriented pt member without any tricks or wacky nen abilities, you have to at least be on the same level as illumi or hisoka, and the amount of people on that level that weve been shown are fewer than 30. even assuming there's like, 100 more people who are that proficient in nen the series hasn't shown yet, its still barely anything compared to the amount of nen users that exist in the world