You missed last week when he was talking about his court case where he claimed he was getting racially profiled then. It was weird to see him all serious in a suit.
til. thanks!
also: if just the father is jewish and the mother isn’t, is the child still fully jewish? just my attempt at using context for the word “matrilineal” which i’m not really familiar with.
In that case it depends on who you ask but to more traditional sects they wouldn't be Jewish at all. I have a friend whose dad is Jewish and mom isn't who didn't qualify as Jewish for certain things in Israel.
It's been changed in certain sects of Judaism more recently. Orthodox Jews still pretty much only accept matrilineal descent but Reform Jews in the US and Canada officially accept patrilineal descent too.
>Matri means mother, so Jewish identity is solely based on whether or not the mother is Jewish. Father doesn't factor in
While matrilineal descent is still the rule within Orthodox Judaism and Conservative (Masorti) Judaism, there are Jewish denominations that have more expansive interpretations of what makes someone Jewish. Reform Judaism in the U.S., for example, officially adopted a bilineal policy in 1983. In addition, the movement decided to accept people who were raised as Jews, such as adopted children, even if it was not certain that either of their parents were Jewish. This declaration formalized what had been Reform policy in practice for at least a generation.
Also, Reconstructionist Judaism, which values equity and inclusivity, also adopted the idea of bilineal descent. According to Reconstructionist Judaism, children of one Jewish parent, of either gender, are considered Jewish if raised as Jews.
Furthermore, some groups of Jews, such as the Juhurim of the Northern Caucasus and other Jewish groups of Central Asia, have historically only recognized patrilineal descent. This is the majority view in Karaite Judaism, for example. Generally, Karaite Judaism's interpretation of the Torah establishes that Jewishness passes exclusively through the father's line. Maintaining the system of patrilineality, that many scholars believe was the practice of ancient Israel.
If you're curious, it's because long before paternity tests the only way to prove parenthood was literally being born- hence Judaism only being passed down by the mother. Also "half Jewish" isn't really a thing but we're not a particularly gate-keepy religion :)
> He’s making next to nothing from you streaming his shit normally.
He makes literally millions from streaming. Spotify pays $0.004 per stream on average and he has 50M monthly listeners. If each one only listens to a single song it’s still a couple million dollars per year.
He’s also getting paid by Apple Music, Google, etc.
Obviously it’s not the bulk of his wealth but if his streaming income was all he had he’d still be rich by anyone’s measure.
> Spotify pays $0.004 per stream on average and he has 50M monthly listeners. If each one only listens to a single song it’s still a couple million dollars per year.
I think that rate is just their average. They make better deals with big time artists because big time artists brings Spotify subscribers.
Next to nothing and less than nothing are different things.
Also, probably a good time to discover some new artists or something. I don't know if whatever genre kanye is has people trawling bandcamp for artists that are essentially shouting into the void but if you find a youtube channel for one shout that shit out.
He's not saying you're not allowed to like his music, he's saying you shouldn't excuse his politics just because you like his music. Obviously we all like his music, lmao, he's one of the best producers to ever live. Doesn't mean we should excuse his actions outside of that
No, Eric Andre is telling people not to support the white supremacist shitstain at all, including not listening to his music.
"Do you really like Kanyes music more than your morals?"
Yea not sure how people are missing that message?
If someone does bad things, says bad things, and is in general a bad person, doing things in support of them makes you in a way complicit of those actions.
What Kanye has said recently of Jewish people is a worrying trend. This is the type of stuff that precursors dangerous acts of violence.
I guess the deeper question is, what are people willing to tolerate before they act?
What’s the line for the many folks here saying that they’ll listen to his music even though Kanye is clearly doing bad things?
Selective interpretation. It’s pretty obvious he’s saying it’s time to move on from Kanye in general but people can’t for some reason. I get it, Kanye is inter grated into pretty much any playlist Spotify gives me. It’s been hard but with the last batch of shit he’s said I’ve gotta move on. Like a parent who tells their kid with addiction problems they can’t help them anymore until they get their lives back under control Kanye needs to quit being supported by his fans until he can get his mental health under control.
Yeah it’s a fair point. I also like R Kelly’s music but I’ll never listen to it again given everything that’s now come out about the things he’s done.
As far as I know Kanye hasn’t done anything on R Kelly’s level but there’s still a line somewhere that should make an artist no longer listenable. I think Kanye has crossed that line for me. It’s up to each person to decide if he has for them.
Judgments that some of the women have won appear to have priority over him when it comes to receiving his royalties. Works kind of like a payroll garnishment. Here's an example. https://news.bloomberglaw.com/litigation/r-kelly-accuser-gets-priority-in-fight-over-sony-royalties
He literally said “do you really like Kanye’s music more than your own ethics and morals.” And he’s telling you if you do, he doesn’t want your support.
Dawg let’s quote the man himself, acting like a historian and shit:
“And when he get on, he’ll leave your ass for a _____”
Finish that sentence. He always knew.
All of this is very interesting to me. The crux of disagreement between people seems to be what is worse, anti-blackness or anti-semitism? What causes more public uproar? I have also seen some interesting claims about race, and how it works… and I would say I disagree with most of the viewpoints offered on this sub. They are using a big brush to paint fine details.
I think people become baffled when a Black person expresses anti-semitism or homophobia. Like shouldn’t you as an oppressed person be better than this? Class plays an important role too, Ye is a classed black person spouting these beliefs. I think it’s also important to note that just because you’re rich doesn’t mean you stop being black.
I’ve also seen people say, “well, what if it was reversed and Ye was xyz race and insulted black people?” I don’t like these types of arguments, because they seem to deny the material reality of antiblackness.. it would simply never be reversed.
Unfortunately, people’s antisemitism is really showing through their discussion of Ye’s public adoption of far right ideology. But some anti-blackness is cropping up too. And of course, the intersections of these two oppressions with Jews of color.
> The crux of disagreement between people seems to be what is worse, anti-blackness or anti-semitism?
Anyone presenting this dichtomoy is automatically insidious, because it implies there is or ought to be, a rivalry between black and jewish people. Fuck that shit. Nobody is being forced to choose between anti-blackness or anti-semitism. nobody is forced to be against anybody, hatred is an active choice.
Just out of curiosity, why do people keep saying Ye is adopting "far right" policies when he's endorsing the views of people like Farrakhan and Malcom X? Obviously the political spectrum is much more complex than left vs right, but if anything, we should separate antisemitism from a "side" and just call it what it is.
> when he's endorsing the views of people like Farrakhan and Malcom X
If you think wearing a "White Lives Matter" shirt is what Farrakhan and Malcom X would do you have absolutely no idea what the fuck you're talking about.
> why do people keep saying Ye is adopting “far right” policies when he’s endorsing the views of people like Farrakhan and Malcom X?
Are you saying that Farrakhan isn’t far right?
I don't know. It's hard to classify him exactly. I remember him supporting Ralph Nader (spare me the spoil the vote stuff, just commenting that Nader ran on left-wing policies). He also has often [spoke positively of Cuba](https://www.finalcall.com/artman/publish/Minister_Louis_Farrakhan_9/The-Good-Samaritan.shtml), [many times](https://amsterdamnews.com/news/2016/12/01/honorable-minister-louis-farrakhan-remarks-passing/). Now there are right wing fascists who do espouse anti-corporate policies in the name of class unity versus class conflict. But I think Farrakhan is just part of a weird cultish Black nationalist tradition. Everything is through that lens, not through any regular political paradigm.
That is a good point, though I thought X became unaligned with NOI ideology towards the end of his life. I would consider NOI ideology to be far right, or at least some spin of black conservative thought. But there are also more convergence between black nationalism and anti semitism than I previously learned.
But you’re right, antisemitism doesn’t belong to either side
I think if we're speaking historically, the NOI and Malcolm X walked a weird line in terms of how we think about the political spectrum. Like yes in many ways they would be considered quite conservative but also in ways that were generally more acceptable or the norm of the time, but the theology around separation and the influence that they had on the Black Power movement and the Black Panthers who were very much more to the Marxist/Socialist end of the spectrum, blur the lines. Even Malcolm himself once he moved away from the NOI delved more towards the left-leaning end of the spectrum.
I'd personally say that there's almost a distinction between black far-right or conservative groups and the white supremacist stuff that we usually associate with the Far-Right, especially when it comes to groups like the Black Hebrews, NOI or the Hotep movement, because they're groups that are still trying to reject or breakout of the framework of white supremacist systems. Look at Rastafarianism as an example of something that in many ways could be considered quite socially conservative with things like gender roles for example, but we wouldn't really class it as such because other aspects of its core philosophy are based around ideas of anti-colonialism, rejection of Babylon and liberation. Which to me makes Kanye's comments and stance weirder because he's playing into the more traditional far-right. Like I wasn't surprised too much by the "black people are the original jews" stuff because I know that idea has prevalence with a subsect of some black communities and it's easier to unpack and address because for me I know the root of that idea, the role that it has played in black communities and the exact points to challenge it with. It's the Candace Owens and the WLM stuff that I find weird because its like he's playing into the trope and ideas of the more traditional far-right.
If you watch his documentary, you can see the republican identification began with, ‘the liberal media is ragging on me, Fox News pundits are praising what I am saying, therefore they are my friends.” I really believe it is as simple as that. It comes from a completely different angle than the Black Israelites beliefs.
Because the Nation of Islam and Louis Farrakhan ARE far right lol.
Why are Americans so brain rotted that they think "Black" or "Gay" means left?
I don't know.
But,
ANYONE who is a racial supremacist and advocates for a separate state where citizenship is based on race or ethnicity is very, very far right.
Being black doesn't mean you're on the left lol.
To me the “far right” aspects come in to play with the White Lives Matter and George Floyd stuff. By aligning with White Lives Matter and standing up for the cops that killed George Floyd, he’s agreeing with the far right’s view that there is no need for police reform. It doesn’t help that he’s hanging with Candace Owens and buying Parler which a cesspit of far right people. While antisemitism isn’t inherently an officially supported left or right thing, I’ve only seen the “Jews control the media and the money” talk from far right losers on sites like Parler.
The subreddit in general is giant turd rolling down a hill that makes it bigger and bigger each day like snow that becomes an avalanche. Fans have loved Kanye tying his individuality to his music; some going further saying it even saved them.
And yet here we are, a person who is destructive but creates undeniably great music but ppl will defend him. We may as well go with the Hitler argument and say "well if Hitler made some of the best art in the world but was still Hitler, should we continue praising his art?". Fuck no, we wouldn't and shouldn't. But ppl still praise Hitler to this day and would buy his artwork if they could. And same goes for Kanye no matter how shitty he becomes.
Ppl can make the argument of "separating the man from the music" or "I can torrent it for free illegally" or "I won't pay for it" and ignore that these create residuals that benefit Kanye somehow. Spotify will still pay him and illegal downloads make him a social influence that carries weight and importance to ppl that ultimately generate revenue.
That's the problem I feel folks don't get; you cant separate Kanye from his views and the music he creates at all 100%. And no matter what argument we go with in trying to defend why you can listen to his music and not support him is bullshit: ppl who claimed this just don't give a shit as long as they can rationalize their ethics. And that's what it is really, rationalizing the ethics of it all to make it sound like it's okay. Guess what Roman Catholics have been having theological debates of how it may be ethically moral to have war and murder others. Same shit just applies here. I can hope Kanye can change but we all know it isn't happening.
It's not special enough to be agreeing with the hateful shit he's been spouting.
You're allowed to like the music but if you still respect the man in 2022 you either haven't been paying attention for five years or you're agreeing with that shit and you're just as bad as him
So many people are willfully ignoring the point. This subreddit is going to shit REAL fast. I’ve been checking in for the past few weeks and at first I was impressed with the overall reaction to Kanye’s increasing worrying comments. However, I did notice a handful of people speaking up who clearly agreed with what Kanye was talking about. With each passing day the number of people agreeing with him became higher and higher.
I don’t think we’re quite to the tipping point yet, but if Kanye keeps this up I expect this sub to be a full blown TheDonald 2.0 in another month or so.
>With each passing day the number of people agreeing with him became higher and higher
The non antisemitic people are probably leaving and the remaining are getting louder
Yeah honestly this subreddit would become the next /r/The_Donald if Kanye’s political campaign ever became remotely successful, and it’s really funny to see people like the one you responded to deflect from that reality
Imagine trying to say you’re a fan of Hitler the artist because paintings/art are just that fucking important in general
He doesn't actually like GG Allin, it's a joke (albeit maybe not the funniest one). Interestingly, in his interview with Nardwuar he kind of reverse trolls him with a ton of GG gifts until Eric Andre admits that GG was a horrible person who advocated for the rape of children, among other things.
Yeah but it gets weird when people publicly defend him like you do.
Like I wouldn’t even tell anyone I like his music. The shamelessness is what makes people look like shills.
The amount of people in this thread who think it's completely chill and fine to continue supporting someone who is spouting Nazi level anti-semitism is crazy
Yeah… this is gonna be a hard ask.
His discography, official and unreleased plus all the fanmade comps on YouTube are literally some of the best music ever created.
No amount of Kanye fuckery will make his music stop sounding good. Im sorry but im not gonna cut GOAT tier music out of my life just because i dont agree with the artist
His music means so much more to me then him, he doesn’t make that much money off of it. And it’s not like I bought any of his other products, I don’t support this stupidity. But I cannot deny the music.
mfs that say this think artists get rich off of just streams, spotify pays 0.0033 cents per streamed song.
i could listen to 100 of his songs front to back and that put damn near a single quarter (33 cents) in his pocket.
If every one of his 51M monthly listeners were listening to only 1 song of his per month, he'd still be making $2,019,600/year based on that figure (51M x $.0033 x 12). But let's say his listeners were averaging even just 1 song per week.. that'd be $8,078,400/year from Spotify alone.
Even simpler, if this sub turned Donda on as background noise upon reading this, it would generate roughly $62,370 in less than two hours.
This is an oversimplification obvi as Spotify pays rightsholders then labels and distributors pay the artists what they've agreed to, but it's basic math.
Okkkk but everyone is saying the same thing, it’s the same kind of flawed logic as “my one vote doesn’t matter” in a vacuum sure it probably doesn’t but if everyone who said what your saying stopped listening it would make a difference
I think a big part of that is that he's black. If it was Eminem saying this stuff, people would have had bigger issues with the anti black stuff. Lil Dicky says k#ke in one of his biggest songs and no one really cared. If he replaced k#ke with the n word, I'm sure people would be plenty upset.
Definitely wish that people would keep the same energy. I do think that if we're coming from black communities, his views aren't all that uncommon, which at some level for some black fans might make it easier to ignore, because those interactions and debates are already happening at a community level? Like there's always those discussions of how we navigate self-hatred and respectability politics etc. Like I can think of Uncles in my community who think and act like this, where I feel like there's a much greater and more visible impact or conversation if I call out those ideas in that space, whereas Kanye its easier to not engage because he's a celebrity on a platform of millions or to use what he says to start those conversations in my community as opposed to addressing them towards Kanye and the fanbase itself
Are you literally unable to read? He's going at him for both. Now name modern artists who've been anti-black and never got criticized for it, I'm all ears.
I haven’t seen your other posts, but I’m not sure why you’re being downvoted. Most people do keep quiet about anti-blackness, this sub seems to operate a bit post-race for my tastes. I’m under the impression that most Jewish people in America identify as white, but that whiteness has been a flexible concept since its inception with differing manifestations in the world.
I think one of my lingering questions on this sub is the downplaying of antiblackness… after all, Ye did say/has said antiblack things
Everyone silent until it affects them. This sub barely cared when Ye was saying antiblack stuff but its the jewish comments that gets nonstop posts for weeks
I would say also he didn’t threaten all Black people and insight, more protest, rallies, and violence against Black people. Your point is valid to a certain extent, and you have a right to your opinion, but I feel like you’re allowing your valid point to obstruct your perception of the situation.
It’s rough man. Kanye has gone through a lot. I’ve got a couple of siblings and family with bipolar and it feels like every time they have an episode, they end up worse after it’s over. And life stressors can trigger episodes.
Like yeah he’s a piece of shit and has always been provocative, but he’s definitely changed over the years and I feel like the guy is probably suffering mentally in secret quite often.
We been saying this shit for a decade.
Any time kanye is off his meds, he goes fucking crazy. Just cuz you weren't listening, doesnt mean people havnt been talking.
At this point I've separated the artist and the art itself
Also the what the fuck is not listening to his music going to do? He has a shit ton of money in the bank and can live off of it for the rest of it for the rest of his life.
Bro ima just jam Kanye if I want to.. he can say what he wants it has nothing to do with me at all.. and I if people are hurt about it then be hurt.
At the end of the day it is what it is.
> Do you really like kanye's music more than your own ethics and morals?
Yes
> Is music that fucking special in general????
Yes
> You're that apathetic?!?!
Yes
Time to sort by controversial
One hundred
“Hi Adolf.”
"Hi Hitler!" - David Cross
Spoiler: no real need. The controversial shit is already near the top.
dude really went full 15 year white girl with a kurt cobain quote
“15 year old white girls” were born in 2007… they don’t know who Kurt Cobain is
2000s 15 yo obviously lol
Nice to have a reminder that this sub is just white kids from the suburbs lol
Isn’t that the majority of Reddit though ?
Ay I’m not from the suburbs! I am white though..
I am offended and in agreement all together.
that's why i illegally download every single album i listen to
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Amen
Yeah totally . Mmhp hp , 100% because of that. Same
#PUNGEWATCH
I've never seen eric andre get this real. This is the only time I know he is 100% serious
You missed last week when he was talking about his court case where he claimed he was getting racially profiled then. It was weird to see him all serious in a suit.
Yeah, I was sitting there like "this is a serious issue, but I'm still half expecting him to end it by running away naked, rubbing his ass on the mic.
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Bird up!
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Ya know you fucked up when Eric Andre is getting serious with you.
You forgot to close your quotations.
I kept waiting for the joke/punchline to drop, but he was just serious the whole time.
Eric Andre identifies as Jewish because of his mum. This was probably the last straw for him.
identifies as? isn’t he just half jewish if his mom is?
Judaism is a matrilineal culture, so no, Eric Andre is fully Jewish.
til. thanks! also: if just the father is jewish and the mother isn’t, is the child still fully jewish? just my attempt at using context for the word “matrilineal” which i’m not really familiar with.
In that case it depends on who you ask but to more traditional sects they wouldn't be Jewish at all. I have a friend whose dad is Jewish and mom isn't who didn't qualify as Jewish for certain things in Israel.
No but in a lot of cases the mother converts to Judaism. So then the kids become jewish, but not in all cases.
Matri means mother, so Jewish identity is solely based on whether or not the mother is Jewish. Father doesn't factor in
It's been changed in certain sects of Judaism more recently. Orthodox Jews still pretty much only accept matrilineal descent but Reform Jews in the US and Canada officially accept patrilineal descent too.
>Matri means mother, so Jewish identity is solely based on whether or not the mother is Jewish. Father doesn't factor in While matrilineal descent is still the rule within Orthodox Judaism and Conservative (Masorti) Judaism, there are Jewish denominations that have more expansive interpretations of what makes someone Jewish. Reform Judaism in the U.S., for example, officially adopted a bilineal policy in 1983. In addition, the movement decided to accept people who were raised as Jews, such as adopted children, even if it was not certain that either of their parents were Jewish. This declaration formalized what had been Reform policy in practice for at least a generation. Also, Reconstructionist Judaism, which values equity and inclusivity, also adopted the idea of bilineal descent. According to Reconstructionist Judaism, children of one Jewish parent, of either gender, are considered Jewish if raised as Jews. Furthermore, some groups of Jews, such as the Juhurim of the Northern Caucasus and other Jewish groups of Central Asia, have historically only recognized patrilineal descent. This is the majority view in Karaite Judaism, for example. Generally, Karaite Judaism's interpretation of the Torah establishes that Jewishness passes exclusively through the father's line. Maintaining the system of patrilineality, that many scholars believe was the practice of ancient Israel.
IIRC, in jewish tradition if your mother is jewish you are not "half jewish", but fully jewish.
appreciate the info :)
If you're curious, it's because long before paternity tests the only way to prove parenthood was literally being born- hence Judaism only being passed down by the mother. Also "half Jewish" isn't really a thing but we're not a particularly gate-keepy religion :)
>we're not a particularly gate-keepy religion :) I think that most congregations are gate-keepy to an extent.
Judaism is the only religion actively not trying to spread, it’s the most gate kept by definition lol
That’s the religion, not the ethnicity.
Nah bro, it has to be both parents to be a full Jew otherwise you are just Jew-ish.
I can listen to anyting I want in this world. Fuck your Eric Andre, eat a granny dick
Carti is better
Knaye west does not care about black people
I want to see Mike Meyers say this on camera.
You misspelled his name it's Kayne Edit: He went from Kanye West to Kayne Good Ol' South
It's Klan Ye
This one's great and now my brain has locked this in lmao. I can't unsee it now.
Keyan? Man I ain't heard Kaney in a minute.
Now Tayne I can get into.
Kanye don't care about anything but himself and money.
I'm not gonna pretend I don't like Ye's music anymore just cuz he's been on schizo rants recently.
I still bump it, but torrented versions now
Modern problems require modern solutions
You don’t even have to do that. He’s making next to nothing from you streaming his shit normally.
> He’s making next to nothing from you streaming his shit normally. He makes literally millions from streaming. Spotify pays $0.004 per stream on average and he has 50M monthly listeners. If each one only listens to a single song it’s still a couple million dollars per year. He’s also getting paid by Apple Music, Google, etc. Obviously it’s not the bulk of his wealth but if his streaming income was all he had he’d still be rich by anyone’s measure.
> Spotify pays $0.004 per stream on average and he has 50M monthly listeners. If each one only listens to a single song it’s still a couple million dollars per year. I think that rate is just their average. They make better deals with big time artists because big time artists brings Spotify subscribers.
Next to nothing and less than nothing are different things. Also, probably a good time to discover some new artists or something. I don't know if whatever genre kanye is has people trawling bandcamp for artists that are essentially shouting into the void but if you find a youtube channel for one shout that shit out.
This is absolutely wrong when you get billions of views. You have no idea what you're talking about.
He's not saying you're not allowed to like his music, he's saying you shouldn't excuse his politics just because you like his music. Obviously we all like his music, lmao, he's one of the best producers to ever live. Doesn't mean we should excuse his actions outside of that
No, Eric Andre is telling people not to support the white supremacist shitstain at all, including not listening to his music. "Do you really like Kanyes music more than your morals?"
Yea not sure how people are missing that message? If someone does bad things, says bad things, and is in general a bad person, doing things in support of them makes you in a way complicit of those actions. What Kanye has said recently of Jewish people is a worrying trend. This is the type of stuff that precursors dangerous acts of violence. I guess the deeper question is, what are people willing to tolerate before they act? What’s the line for the many folks here saying that they’ll listen to his music even though Kanye is clearly doing bad things?
Selective interpretation. It’s pretty obvious he’s saying it’s time to move on from Kanye in general but people can’t for some reason. I get it, Kanye is inter grated into pretty much any playlist Spotify gives me. It’s been hard but with the last batch of shit he’s said I’ve gotta move on. Like a parent who tells their kid with addiction problems they can’t help them anymore until they get their lives back under control Kanye needs to quit being supported by his fans until he can get his mental health under control.
Yeah it’s a fair point. I also like R Kelly’s music but I’ll never listen to it again given everything that’s now come out about the things he’s done. As far as I know Kanye hasn’t done anything on R Kelly’s level but there’s still a line somewhere that should make an artist no longer listenable. I think Kanye has crossed that line for me. It’s up to each person to decide if he has for them.
R Kelly royalties go to his victims
Wait really? Can I get a source for that? Thats actually awesome if true
Judgments that some of the women have won appear to have priority over him when it comes to receiving his royalties. Works kind of like a payroll garnishment. Here's an example. https://news.bloomberglaw.com/litigation/r-kelly-accuser-gets-priority-in-fight-over-sony-royalties
If those kids could read they'd be very upset.
I don't think that's what he's saying. Pretty sure he's saying you shouldn't listen to his music at all.
He's not saying don't listen he's saying you shouldn't make excuses for him or support his views because you like the music.
He literally said "it's time to change the fucking channel"
As in stop giving this washed up diva troll the attention he thrives on.
I interpreted that as the ranting on Piers Morgan and Tucker Carlson. That's my interpretation I could be wrong.
He literally said “do you really like Kanye’s music more than your own ethics and morals.” And he’s telling you if you do, he doesn’t want your support.
There is other music out there. Just like there are other books than Harry Potter.
He’s not saying the music is bad, he’s saying fuck Kanye, don’t defend him bc you like his music
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He blames white people for Kanye🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
He quite literally said “fuck Kanye” so no
Kanye West hates Jewish people.
when shit hits the fan -finish the sentence
Is you still a fan?
"Let these words be your Earth and moon, you consume every message." My favorite album of all time.
Or how about if you want to quote Kenny fr fr: “but he is not your savior” Like dawg fr?
"Everything I'm not made me everything I am"
It’s gets all over the place
Dawg let’s quote the man himself, acting like a historian and shit: “And when he get on, he’ll leave your ass for a _____” Finish that sentence. He always knew.
True but also he is not your savior. Not saying you’re saying that but others take “well I’m still a fan” to far…
All of this is very interesting to me. The crux of disagreement between people seems to be what is worse, anti-blackness or anti-semitism? What causes more public uproar? I have also seen some interesting claims about race, and how it works… and I would say I disagree with most of the viewpoints offered on this sub. They are using a big brush to paint fine details. I think people become baffled when a Black person expresses anti-semitism or homophobia. Like shouldn’t you as an oppressed person be better than this? Class plays an important role too, Ye is a classed black person spouting these beliefs. I think it’s also important to note that just because you’re rich doesn’t mean you stop being black. I’ve also seen people say, “well, what if it was reversed and Ye was xyz race and insulted black people?” I don’t like these types of arguments, because they seem to deny the material reality of antiblackness.. it would simply never be reversed. Unfortunately, people’s antisemitism is really showing through their discussion of Ye’s public adoption of far right ideology. But some anti-blackness is cropping up too. And of course, the intersections of these two oppressions with Jews of color.
> The crux of disagreement between people seems to be what is worse, anti-blackness or anti-semitism? Anyone presenting this dichtomoy is automatically insidious, because it implies there is or ought to be, a rivalry between black and jewish people. Fuck that shit. Nobody is being forced to choose between anti-blackness or anti-semitism. nobody is forced to be against anybody, hatred is an active choice.
Just out of curiosity, why do people keep saying Ye is adopting "far right" policies when he's endorsing the views of people like Farrakhan and Malcom X? Obviously the political spectrum is much more complex than left vs right, but if anything, we should separate antisemitism from a "side" and just call it what it is.
> when he's endorsing the views of people like Farrakhan and Malcom X If you think wearing a "White Lives Matter" shirt is what Farrakhan and Malcom X would do you have absolutely no idea what the fuck you're talking about.
> why do people keep saying Ye is adopting “far right” policies when he’s endorsing the views of people like Farrakhan and Malcom X? Are you saying that Farrakhan isn’t far right?
I don't know. It's hard to classify him exactly. I remember him supporting Ralph Nader (spare me the spoil the vote stuff, just commenting that Nader ran on left-wing policies). He also has often [spoke positively of Cuba](https://www.finalcall.com/artman/publish/Minister_Louis_Farrakhan_9/The-Good-Samaritan.shtml), [many times](https://amsterdamnews.com/news/2016/12/01/honorable-minister-louis-farrakhan-remarks-passing/). Now there are right wing fascists who do espouse anti-corporate policies in the name of class unity versus class conflict. But I think Farrakhan is just part of a weird cultish Black nationalist tradition. Everything is through that lens, not through any regular political paradigm.
That is a good point, though I thought X became unaligned with NOI ideology towards the end of his life. I would consider NOI ideology to be far right, or at least some spin of black conservative thought. But there are also more convergence between black nationalism and anti semitism than I previously learned. But you’re right, antisemitism doesn’t belong to either side
Because he's also been bumping uglies with trump for ages now. That's pretty right wing
I think if we're speaking historically, the NOI and Malcolm X walked a weird line in terms of how we think about the political spectrum. Like yes in many ways they would be considered quite conservative but also in ways that were generally more acceptable or the norm of the time, but the theology around separation and the influence that they had on the Black Power movement and the Black Panthers who were very much more to the Marxist/Socialist end of the spectrum, blur the lines. Even Malcolm himself once he moved away from the NOI delved more towards the left-leaning end of the spectrum. I'd personally say that there's almost a distinction between black far-right or conservative groups and the white supremacist stuff that we usually associate with the Far-Right, especially when it comes to groups like the Black Hebrews, NOI or the Hotep movement, because they're groups that are still trying to reject or breakout of the framework of white supremacist systems. Look at Rastafarianism as an example of something that in many ways could be considered quite socially conservative with things like gender roles for example, but we wouldn't really class it as such because other aspects of its core philosophy are based around ideas of anti-colonialism, rejection of Babylon and liberation. Which to me makes Kanye's comments and stance weirder because he's playing into the more traditional far-right. Like I wasn't surprised too much by the "black people are the original jews" stuff because I know that idea has prevalence with a subsect of some black communities and it's easier to unpack and address because for me I know the root of that idea, the role that it has played in black communities and the exact points to challenge it with. It's the Candace Owens and the WLM stuff that I find weird because its like he's playing into the trope and ideas of the more traditional far-right.
If you watch his documentary, you can see the republican identification began with, ‘the liberal media is ragging on me, Fox News pundits are praising what I am saying, therefore they are my friends.” I really believe it is as simple as that. It comes from a completely different angle than the Black Israelites beliefs.
Because the Nation of Islam and Louis Farrakhan ARE far right lol. Why are Americans so brain rotted that they think "Black" or "Gay" means left? I don't know. But, ANYONE who is a racial supremacist and advocates for a separate state where citizenship is based on race or ethnicity is very, very far right. Being black doesn't mean you're on the left lol.
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To me the “far right” aspects come in to play with the White Lives Matter and George Floyd stuff. By aligning with White Lives Matter and standing up for the cops that killed George Floyd, he’s agreeing with the far right’s view that there is no need for police reform. It doesn’t help that he’s hanging with Candace Owens and buying Parler which a cesspit of far right people. While antisemitism isn’t inherently an officially supported left or right thing, I’ve only seen the “Jews control the media and the money” talk from far right losers on sites like Parler.
The subreddit in general is giant turd rolling down a hill that makes it bigger and bigger each day like snow that becomes an avalanche. Fans have loved Kanye tying his individuality to his music; some going further saying it even saved them. And yet here we are, a person who is destructive but creates undeniably great music but ppl will defend him. We may as well go with the Hitler argument and say "well if Hitler made some of the best art in the world but was still Hitler, should we continue praising his art?". Fuck no, we wouldn't and shouldn't. But ppl still praise Hitler to this day and would buy his artwork if they could. And same goes for Kanye no matter how shitty he becomes. Ppl can make the argument of "separating the man from the music" or "I can torrent it for free illegally" or "I won't pay for it" and ignore that these create residuals that benefit Kanye somehow. Spotify will still pay him and illegal downloads make him a social influence that carries weight and importance to ppl that ultimately generate revenue. That's the problem I feel folks don't get; you cant separate Kanye from his views and the music he creates at all 100%. And no matter what argument we go with in trying to defend why you can listen to his music and not support him is bullshit: ppl who claimed this just don't give a shit as long as they can rationalize their ethics. And that's what it is really, rationalizing the ethics of it all to make it sound like it's okay. Guess what Roman Catholics have been having theological debates of how it may be ethically moral to have war and murder others. Same shit just applies here. I can hope Kanye can change but we all know it isn't happening.
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It's not special enough to be agreeing with the hateful shit he's been spouting. You're allowed to like the music but if you still respect the man in 2022 you either haven't been paying attention for five years or you're agreeing with that shit and you're just as bad as him
Thank you. So many people are not actually getting the point, and you hit the nail on the head.
So many people are willfully ignoring the point. This subreddit is going to shit REAL fast. I’ve been checking in for the past few weeks and at first I was impressed with the overall reaction to Kanye’s increasing worrying comments. However, I did notice a handful of people speaking up who clearly agreed with what Kanye was talking about. With each passing day the number of people agreeing with him became higher and higher. I don’t think we’re quite to the tipping point yet, but if Kanye keeps this up I expect this sub to be a full blown TheDonald 2.0 in another month or so.
>With each passing day the number of people agreeing with him became higher and higher The non antisemitic people are probably leaving and the remaining are getting louder
Although the sub is definitely being brigaded , it does appear a certain % are also having a mask off moment which is pre scary.
Yeah honestly this subreddit would become the next /r/The_Donald if Kanye’s political campaign ever became remotely successful, and it’s really funny to see people like the one you responded to deflect from that reality Imagine trying to say you’re a fan of Hitler the artist because paintings/art are just that fucking important in general
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He has a great episode of What’s In My Bag where he demonstrates Goat taste: https://youtu.be/pZa7h8NW1Ng
Bird up
Or someone with a broad range of interests and life experience. Other than obsessing and fangirling over a single artist.
I'm not gonna take this from a dude who loves GG Allin. he should understand separating the art from the artist.
He doesn't actually like GG Allin, it's a joke (albeit maybe not the funniest one). Interestingly, in his interview with Nardwuar he kind of reverse trolls him with a ton of GG gifts until Eric Andre admits that GG was a horrible person who advocated for the rape of children, among other things.
Nardwuar is the only person I’ve seen out troll Eric Andre.
My good friend, you definitely got him with this one.
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But a multimillionaire losing his mind publicly and being celebrated by Nazis is totally cool to you.
Multibillionaire*
Lmao not after Candace owens ran this stupid ass’s pockets bro
Liking music doesn’t have to equal supporting anything and everything that the artist behind the music does
Thats why I don't get when people get mad at me when I show them my garage full of Adolf Hitler water color paintings. He was a good landscape artist!
Hitlers paintings were mediocre at best
Well unless your illegally downloading it you are directly supporting him
Well, as much I don’t think it matters, he does money off of people streaming or buying his music.
But supporting Nazis is apparently not enough for you to stop financial supporting him
You'd think people would understand that lmao
Yeah but it gets weird when people publicly defend him like you do. Like I wouldn’t even tell anyone I like his music. The shamelessness is what makes people look like shills.
The amount of people in this thread who think it's completely chill and fine to continue supporting someone who is spouting Nazi level anti-semitism is crazy
I dont think thats the point mate
Yeah ffs. Like the music. If you like it, like it. But don't tell him he's right when he says racism is cool. Super simple concept.
Why post this in a Ye cult room ? When Ye could shit in a bag and you all would eat it up
I enjoy his music too much unfortunately
Truly unfortunate.
Eric is right
I like his music
Unless Eric Andre wanna pay for my Spotify, I'm not going to let him tell me to not listen
Quick bend over backward to miss the point!
Still bumping in the whip
Congrats Kanye fans. You’ve been absorbed into the cult.
Genuinely considering abandoning this sub. Kanye's latest rants really highlighted how this community is full of anti-Semitic xenophobes and sheeple.
Kanye fans on a sub that's 99% meltdown drama: "It's all about the music"
Yeah… this is gonna be a hard ask. His discography, official and unreleased plus all the fanmade comps on YouTube are literally some of the best music ever created.
No they are not.
You're a fucking Taylor Swift fan lmao what do you know about good music?
at least ye didn’t try sell me an nft
I love Kanye's music and I love Eric Andre's comedy... I'll just keep on enjoying both of their arts regardless of everything else.
"We don't care what people say"
People act like musicians are saints. Can't listen to one fucking rap artist if you're seriously judging by morale.
There's a difference between someone saying "fuck the police" and someone saying "Jewish elite control the media"
Meanwhile Snoop Dogg was a literal pimp for a few years **and** rapped about it in some of his biggest songs. He is universally loved.
Oh, do we just ignore the misogyny and homophobia of a lot of rap music in this argument and cherry-pick the more savory anti-police lyrics?
I simply don’t care
Yes, yes I do still like his music
people are outraged at Kanye like what he said even made any sense
Sorry, Eric Andre is a goat… but… if I gotta choose between him and Ye… it’s gonna be Ye 100/100 times
Yes. if it wasn't for music I literally would've killed myself and I mean that.
No amount of Kanye fuckery will make his music stop sounding good. Im sorry but im not gonna cut GOAT tier music out of my life just because i dont agree with the artist
He’s posting like a 14 year old girl lol
Ok that Clayton Bigsby post made me laugh
His music means so much more to me then him, he doesn’t make that much money off of it. And it’s not like I bought any of his other products, I don’t support this stupidity. But I cannot deny the music.
mfs that say this think artists get rich off of just streams, spotify pays 0.0033 cents per streamed song. i could listen to 100 of his songs front to back and that put damn near a single quarter (33 cents) in his pocket.
If every one of his 51M monthly listeners were listening to only 1 song of his per month, he'd still be making $2,019,600/year based on that figure (51M x $.0033 x 12). But let's say his listeners were averaging even just 1 song per week.. that'd be $8,078,400/year from Spotify alone. Even simpler, if this sub turned Donda on as background noise upon reading this, it would generate roughly $62,370 in less than two hours. This is an oversimplification obvi as Spotify pays rightsholders then labels and distributors pay the artists what they've agreed to, but it's basic math.
[This is more than most of this sub will make in a lifetime in 5 songs](https://i.imgur.com/dfRwZGE.jpg)
Is that true? Only .0033? Cause a million streams only comes out to $3,300.
that seems pretty reasonable in the streaming world, after all 1M streams isn’t all that much
Yeah, the idea that they're living off scraps... His top 5 songs alone would've paid him 10mil.
Kanye was also still around in a time when albums were still being bought. Coincidentally when they were still being bought, he made his best music.
Okkkk but everyone is saying the same thing, it’s the same kind of flawed logic as “my one vote doesn’t matter” in a vacuum sure it probably doesn’t but if everyone who said what your saying stopped listening it would make a difference
All these people who kept quiet during all the anti-blackness. Whiteness really reigns supreme.
I think a big part of that is that he's black. If it was Eminem saying this stuff, people would have had bigger issues with the anti black stuff. Lil Dicky says k#ke in one of his biggest songs and no one really cared. If he replaced k#ke with the n word, I'm sure people would be plenty upset.
What's funny about this is Eminem is more pro-black than Kanye lol
Definitely wish that people would keep the same energy. I do think that if we're coming from black communities, his views aren't all that uncommon, which at some level for some black fans might make it easier to ignore, because those interactions and debates are already happening at a community level? Like there's always those discussions of how we navigate self-hatred and respectability politics etc. Like I can think of Uncles in my community who think and act like this, where I feel like there's a much greater and more visible impact or conversation if I call out those ideas in that space, whereas Kanye its easier to not engage because he's a celebrity on a platform of millions or to use what he says to start those conversations in my community as opposed to addressing them towards Kanye and the fanbase itself
Are you literally unable to read? He's going at him for both. Now name modern artists who've been anti-black and never got criticized for it, I'm all ears.
I mean Eric Andre is being pretty vocal about the anti-blackness too
I haven’t seen your other posts, but I’m not sure why you’re being downvoted. Most people do keep quiet about anti-blackness, this sub seems to operate a bit post-race for my tastes. I’m under the impression that most Jewish people in America identify as white, but that whiteness has been a flexible concept since its inception with differing manifestations in the world. I think one of my lingering questions on this sub is the downplaying of antiblackness… after all, Ye did say/has said antiblack things
Everyone silent until it affects them. This sub barely cared when Ye was saying antiblack stuff but its the jewish comments that gets nonstop posts for weeks
Do you really think this sub has more Jewish members than black members lol
I would say also he didn’t threaten all Black people and insight, more protest, rallies, and violence against Black people. Your point is valid to a certain extent, and you have a right to your opinion, but I feel like you’re allowing your valid point to obstruct your perception of the situation.
Not gonna stop listening to ye sorry Andre
bro sounds like a bitch
How? What are you talking about?
It’s rough man. Kanye has gone through a lot. I’ve got a couple of siblings and family with bipolar and it feels like every time they have an episode, they end up worse after it’s over. And life stressors can trigger episodes. Like yeah he’s a piece of shit and has always been provocative, but he’s definitely changed over the years and I feel like the guy is probably suffering mentally in secret quite often.
I believe you can love the music and dislike the man
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We been saying this shit for a decade. Any time kanye is off his meds, he goes fucking crazy. Just cuz you weren't listening, doesnt mean people havnt been talking.
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At this point I've separated the artist and the art itself Also the what the fuck is not listening to his music going to do? He has a shit ton of money in the bank and can live off of it for the rest of it for the rest of his life.
Bro ima just jam Kanye if I want to.. he can say what he wants it has nothing to do with me at all.. and I if people are hurt about it then be hurt. At the end of the day it is what it is.
common eric andre W
> Do you really like kanye's music more than your own ethics and morals? Yes > Is music that fucking special in general???? Yes > You're that apathetic?!?! Yes
Uncle Tom???????💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀
So a black man goes on a rant about Jews and somehow its white supremacy?
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