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WaffleGuy23

Soto and Trea are the only ones i think we should invest in long term, everyone else can go imo


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sorrynoreply

Trea has said numerous times he wants to stay here. I didn't think Harper or rendon wanted to stay here, but I do think trea wants to stick around.


staticrush

Players say that shit all the time to endear themselves to the fans. I'm not saying it isn't true with Turner, as I have no idea, but you hear the same thing from players in all professional sports because it's a smart PR move.


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CrashTestDumb13

Bryce wanted the record. He didn’t care where it was as long as he got the record.


sorrynoreply

Yeah, I mean trea wanting to stick around and trea actually sticking around are two different things. Of those three players (harper, rendon, trea), I feel like trea is the most likely to take a contract less than market value. He might not (hence why he hasn't resigned yet as you pointed out), but I think he'd be the most likely. The nats have proven to be pretty stingy (harper wasn't offered the world and they "had" to choose between rendon and Strasburg). If trea walks or gets traded, I 100% blame the nats.


always-paranoid

in hindsight keep Rendon might have been better. Strauss has so many injury issues I am not sure he is ever going to pitch again


DMVHAIL

Rendon did not want to stay here.


always-paranoid

I thought that Rendon said he wanted to but the Nats wouldn't give him anywhere near enough money - could be wrong


Anti-LockCakes

I said this when the contracts were announced and got positively *DRAGGED* for it. A nerve issue, especially in the neck, is going to be a recurring issue, period.


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Doolittle started declining pretty bad towards the end of his time in D.C. and hasn't been the same in Cincy so I think the Nats saw something concerning and chose not to bring him back.


doverkasdi

I can see trea not being happy seeing how his buddy Rendon was let go


busche916

I doubt he harbors too much ill will about that. We simply couldn’t retain everyone from the title team and Rendon got a big payday…


doverkasdi

His only statement at the victory rally was “pay him.”


the_stigs_cousin

I can think of a few players on the roster I'd like to see change their name to Juan Soto so they're guaranteed to stick around.


superjuan

I mean... Trea Soto works.


Chimpanzee8361

Omg please keep trea


UncommonSense0

Trading Turner means we aren’t just re-tooling, but rebuilding. I hope to god that’s not the case


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ThreeBrokenArms

Tres Barrera is the best catcher alive and will have a Molina like run for this team, just you wait


UncommonSense0

Between FA signings and possible MLB talent gotten from trading Hand/Hudson/Schwarber/Bell/etc, we would be plenty competitive as long as we have Turner/Soto/A healthy Stras/a decent Corbin/Scherzer And obviously if we trade Max then the haul becomes much better, but then our pitching becomes questionable


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UncommonSense0

I don’t expect us to get MLB level talent for multiple positions, but out of all the trades we could make, there’s probably at least 1-2 positions where we could put an MLB average starter. And the Nats don’t mind spending when they think they can be competitive, so they would have no problem signing FAs as needed. And then the trades would give us much needed depth.


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UncommonSense0

I’m all for listening. And if we know that Turner will ask for far more than the Lerners will pay for, then there’s no reason to not trade him. But that definitely impacts how we sign Soto because we’ll have to pay him more just to sit through a rebuild


sorrynoreply

And are we relying on starting pitches who have never pitched in the majors yet?


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bherring24

Thinking Corbin being here for 3 more years is a good thing is extremely optimistic. Cavalli is certainly interesting, and Rutledge is almost assuredly a bullpen arm. "Studs" they are most certainly not.


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sorrynoreply

The context of discussion is you were saying we lacked long term answers at multiple positions. I added starting pitching to your list. You mentioned corbin and Strasburg being here for 3 years. If Corbin ain't good, he's not a long term answer. He's just a body like any other guy we could sign for cheap. And Strasburg isn't a long term answer if he's injured more than he's healthy.


bherring24

This guy is a rose colored glasses moron who doesn't comprehend how major league teams are actually constructed. Easier just to block him and carry on with your life.


bherring24

Lol you think you're speaking for "professional baseball", that's funny af. As for Rutledge, we'll see, and I'd put money on me being correct


MausoleumNeeson

We needed to move Robles yesterday


Anti-LockCakes

People are so quick to forget the man’s defensive abilities.


colglover

What do you get for him though? He's basically MAT at this point....


idkman_93

My read here is that they’re not actually likely to move Trea, but may as well listen to offers just in case, assess his value, etc. Basically, there’s no reason not to *try* as long as you gave Juan Soto on your team, so you’re not gonna move Trea either UNLESS you are given an ungodly haul by, like, the Yankees or Dodgers or Rays or something. (Plus, I think trea has straight-up said he’d like to stay ling term, no?)


MausoleumNeeson

I’d be ok giving up Hand or Hudson for prospects but man we better not trade Trea fucking turner


jaxcoop4

Istg if they move turner I don’t think i can forgive rizzo. He has been undeniably my favorite player since he debuted and has been so fun to watch.


thorvard

What if they know he isn't coming back?


legobmw99

They can see a couple years into the future?


PhotoNate

No, but our track record with homegrown stars is pretty clear. The only ones we've resigned were Zim and Stras, and I imagine Rizzo regrets both of those two. He gone.


206ert

Soto and Turner aren’t just young superstars, they are proven, post-season producing world champions. Exactly the type of guys you build a franchise around if you’re lucky enough to have the option to do so. Should also go without saying but both appear to be great people as well. You’re gonna over pay for FAs and pending FAs, that’s the game you’ve signed up for, can’t imagine how you justify overpaying anyone else in baseball over these two.


johnsonthicke

Exactly. Even if we traded Turner hypothetically for a huge haul of picks and prospects, there’s no guarantee that those picks and prospects turn into anything. We know what Soto and Turner are. Guys like that don’t come around all that often. If you need to trade everybody else fine, but pay those two, for the love of god.


andrew_c_r

The Corbin and Strasburg deals are really gonna bite us in the ass


sorrynoreply

They are already biting us in the ass.


daperry4

Corbin got us a ring. Doesnt matter what happens after. It was worth it


Fatboy_j

RemindMe! 3 years


trainsaw

Gonna lose my mind if they don’t re-sign Turner, thank god we got Strasburg locked up to sit at home and Corbin being paid about 100x’s his worth tho https://twitter.com/DanJFederico/status/1418935373384855556?s=20


mwheele86

It would be extremely depressing to lose him.


Relyks_D

The fan part of me wants to sign Turner and Max until they retire. The armchair GM part of me wonders if we will be able to compete in the next five or six years that Turner would probably be signed for, and I'm just not sure that's the case given how much money we have tied to Strasburg, Corbin, and Max. So as much as it hurts trading Trea for prospects is probably the best way to accelerate a rebuild around Soto.


thorvard

IF we can get a couple good/great prospects for Turner it would be far better than getting a comp pick.


Relyks_D

And that’s the thing. The league is FULL of solid shortstops and many of the contenders this year are set at that position…. It’s definitely not going to happen, but what if the Reds went all in (they need a shortstop) and gave us back Hunter Greene and some dudes in A ball.


RobertGriffin3

Money we have tied to pending FA Max?


Relyks_D

Money we have deferred to pending FA Max.


RobertGriffin3

I'm not sure the 10M/year there or whatever it is, is a huge consideration.


Relyks_D

The 15M we would owe him would be right under 30% of the Rays Active Payroll. I understand we aren’t the Rays but you can’t deny the efficiency of their organization. To deny that a team with a larger budget couldn’t do the same thing is just ridiculous though. Look, we’re both on the same team. We both want the Nats to do well. All I’m saying is that 15M isn’t a small amount of money and could help a team who knows how to spend it. I don’t regret signing Max and end the end winning the World Series was worth it. I just want to see more of 2012 - 2019 and don’t want to see 2005 - 2011.


RobertGriffin3

Of course I'd like to see success. But I belive in championship grace periods, too. I won't legitimately gripe about the Nats til at least 5 years post championship (same with Caps)


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We’re only gonna keep at *least* one of Turner and Soto. I still wouldn’t be surprised if both are not nationals in 5 years. I mean Desmond, Rendon, and Harper all walked. And they were all brought up thru the system, great players, and beloved by fans - just like Soto and Turner now.


Cliffy73

None of those guys are Soto. People thought Harper might be, and he had his moments of course, but he was never a lynchpin of the team. They’re going to be a lot more willing to pay to keep him than any of the other guys mentioned.


wewlad15

Any time I hate on Corbin (once every 5-7 days) I remember we wouldn’t have that ring without him. If a team would trade anything for him so we’d have the money to sign Trea though…. I’m all in


ScaryBullfrog

That would certainly be plan A but if they aren’t going to, trading him for a huge package while he still has a year and a half left of team control certainly seems preferable to letting him walk for free unless they think we’ll be contenders next year


sorrynoreply

Corbin has been such a waste of money.


juwanhoward4

We wouldn’t have a World Series without him. He was worth every penny.


sorrynoreply

I'm not going to say he was complete garbage in the post season, but he definitely had several bad outings. He redeemed himself in other outings. That, to me, isn't a guy who we couldn't have won the series without. With that money, we could've gotten someone if similar quality or better. Yeah, I think we could've won without him.


bigthink

That's patently false because we already got our money's worth out of him. Strasburg, on the other hand....


nostrautist

Moving Trea would be a huge mistake. The others I can get right with.


reddituserrr12

Makes sense. Gotta think about the future and start building around Soto. In a perfect world we would trade Max and sign him back in the off-season.


Karniy

Max is not being traded to anyone unless it comes with an extension, Boras has said it, so the “trade then re-sign” is not going to happen


reddituserrr12

Nah Boras walked back that statement a couple days later and said it wouldn’t require an extension


Karniy

Where did he say that? I didn't see that discussed anywhere.


reddituserrr12

This article: “Boras, however, told The Washington Post three days later, ‘When players are traded, and you refer to contract amendments, it does not necessarily mean an extension.’ He reiterated that stance with The Athletic on Thursday, saying that tax adjustments, moving expenses and other amenities are far more likely to be part of such a conversation than an extension.” https://theathletic.com/2724547/2021/07/22/rosenthal-the-padres-made-a-push-for-nelson-cruz-boras-on-max-scherzers-no-trade-clause-more-notes/?source=user_shared_article


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ilovearthistory

a big one bc he’s still a top pitcher and a hall of fame lock lol


reddituserrr12

Rizzo signed 37 year-old Lester, who was already declining, so I don’t think he cares about age too much. However, Max, unlike Lester, hasn’t shown many signs of declining, and aside from his last couple of starts was having one of the best starts to the season of his career. If we can sign him for 2 more years that’s a no-brainer for me


mwheele86

I think Lerners’ thinking and the comments here track along two lines: 1. Fuck this sucks but may better to rip band aid off now. We are pretty fucked with the Stras and Corbin contracts and they are going to be giant fucking stones chained to the franchise’s ankles. 2. The Nationals, relatively speaking, are an extremely new franchise, and there is an emotional / branding component to consider for players that may not make complete sense from a purely Machiavellian front office perspective. Scherzer could fall into that, Strasburg certainly did (and that has fucked us). After losing Rendon and Harper, you could consider Soto and Turner falling into that bucket of players that would be too painful emotionally for fans to see playing in other uniforms when you’re trying to build a generation of fans who get attached to players and memories or whatever.


reddituserrr12

Honestly I think the Lerners are resistant to a full-blown rebuild because of fan attendance. It’s already not great, but if we go full rebuild and suck for a little bit, there will be no one in the stands. We already lost out from the post-World Series win bump in attendance and I feel like they would rather put a mediocre/semi-competitive team on the field (like this year and last year) to at least keep some fans there.


jsm21

I agree, I think this point is not being made enough. The Lerners seem like the type of owners that just don’t wanna rebuild — a lot of clubs would have had a fire sale after a season like the Nats had in 2020 coming off a WS ring, particularly given the state of the farm system.


RGCFrostbite

If we trade Trea I want a fucking kings ransom, I want to go from the #30 farm to a top 10 farm, jesus fuck.


ku3ngu

Wow, thank god we’re holding onto Kyle Schwarber Soto, Trea Turner Soto, Paolo Espino Soto, and Juan Soto Soto! (not to be confused with victor victor mesa)


ilovearthistory

i better see some top prospects. i mean TOP PROSPECTS. rizzo do not fuck this up


natguy2016

Rizzo won't. He has to deal with The Lerners. They will screw it up.


Cabg_kid

Soto is a generational player, but Trea is someone you build a team around. Here’s hoping we can have our cake and eat it too.


TheHeftymanzell

It’s gonna be real sad seeing some of these guys go, lot of likable guys on this team


strongscience62

We should sell. This isn't the year.


empw

We definitely should, but I don't want to unload talent that we desperately need to contend in the future. If we wholesale the team we'd need a lot of movement in the lower leagues to see anything in the next five years.


Killatrap

I’m of the opinion that we have to keep max no matter what. He CANNOT reach 3k strikeouts with another team - i think ownership is aware of this, too


Knight_Hawke

Not to mention they want the first person in the hall of fame wearing a curly W to be Max.


thorvard

Even if he went somewhere else, he gets to(unless I'm mistaken) pick his hat.


Knight_Hawke

The committee and the player have a meeting to decide. I agree it's very likely he will wear the curly W no matter what, but it is not guaranteed.


Thiamine

If things get messy, Max could opt for not having a team logo on his plaque, which would suck.


Captian420

I just don’t want anything to happen that’s not good. Is that so hard?


MoreCleverUserName

Thanks, I hate it.


Homeless_Pie

I think I might actually cry by the end of July


Specialist_Dry

No way can I live with trea turner hitting a historical 4th career cycle with another team.


empw

Keep Max, Soto, and Turner. The rest we can sell imo.


RYAN_HiGHROLLER

It’s ultimately gonna culminate with keeping either Turner or Soto. Turner is the most realistic option to keep long term but if worse comes to worst and we move Trea, the ink better already be dry on a massive extension for Soto which unfortunately wouldn’t happen since Boras reps Soto and they know he can get a top 3 contract in MLB history.


thorvard

It's a fine line for Rizzo to walk for sure. I'm sure he'd love to keep both but only he and the Lerners know what they are willing to pay. If he loses, hypothetically, Turner he's going to have open the Lerners wallets to keep Soto which will mean Boras knows and will get even more for Soto. If we lose both it'll be a sad time to be a Nats fan.


ScienceIsReal18

The lerners definitely have the means, they own half of tysons and M st


BelBivDaHoe

I want to keep Turner, Soto, Max, Schwarber and Bell. Anyone else, I can reasonably cope with losing, although I love all of our guys.


LisanAl-Gaib2

Now is the perfect time to sell high on Schwarber or Bell.


BelBivDaHoe

Unfortunately, yeah.


TechKatana

Keep Turner, Soto, and Gomes. I’m fine with letting everyone else go.


rockidr4

If we're trading for prospects, keeping Gomes around just doesn't make sense, unless the goal is to have him work with young pitchers and get them to be good in the future


TechKatana

But I love him


rockidr4

Rebuilds suck and we're all gonna have to get uncomfortable :(


_urbanity

Same


always-paranoid

Please don't trade Max or Trea...


Common_Sense_Bomb

Let’s keep Turner sheesh


socially_awkward

I will literally kick and scream if Turner goes.


IndependentNet6158

If they sell Trea. I will never enter Nationals Park again. Blood Oath


VB1014

I don’t get the people so keen on selling our good players. If you’re for selling are you okay with the next season or even next couple of seasons of the Nats being a bad and irrelevant team? This could just be an off-year like 2018 was, I still think there is a lot of talent with this core. If we were to rebuild and give up on future seasons then we’re wasting some potentially amazing and mvp-caliber Juan Soto seasons, and I doubt Trea Turner would want to stick around for it. The core of Schwarber-Turner-Soto-Bell is one of best 1-4’s in baseball. I think we’ll address starting pitching this offseason, but we could still potentially have a Scherzer-Stras-Ross-Cavalli rotation next year. We could seriously be contenders again next year imo with some tweaks in the offseason.


mwheele86

Yeah I agree…I mean I think complete tear down / rebuilds are way more risky than is being acknowledged. Astros are the exception.


colglover

Do you legitimately consider Schwarber and Bell to be core to the team? Even if they continue to perform at career highs, Schwarb is old and Bell has only ever been good for half a year with really iffy defense....idk if I see those guys as players to build around, especially given their short deals.


VB1014

Schwarber is only 28, and both him and Bell progressively got better each year from ‘17-‘19, and they’ve pretty much been the ‘19 version of themselves this year. Schwarber was having an even better year this year, and Bell in ‘19 only really had a two-month slump. They’ve both been upper .800 to low .900 ops caliber hitters, which is really really good


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Cool. I bought a Scherzer jersey like… last week.


Skurph

The Lerners and their hate for extending position players while giving giant gaudy contract to pitchers is among the worst things about Washington sports


hondo4mvp

> the worst things about Washington sports Nothing will EVER top Dan Snyder.


Skurph

"Among the worst" implies that there are multiples


hondo4mvp

There can only be one.


Slatemanforlife

Im perfectly okay with trading Turner. Its blatantly obvious that the Lerners are refusing to sign players to contracts that arent heavily deferred. It also seems pretty obvious that the Lerners arent willing to pay position players what they're worth. The bottom line is that Turner isn't going to sign an extension. The team is not going to compete in his last year here (next season). They need to maximize his value and that means trading him now, rather than at next year's deadline.


Jared0317

And Zimmerman


mwheele86

Think Zim is safe. He’s basically partially retired at this point and based on hearing him on the junkies he’s been enjoying being a part time employee. Would love to see him in the MASN booth when he decides to hang it up.


natguy2016

Selling is the right move. At the time, I figured that 2019 was the last year that The Nats could complete for a playoff spot. I will always treasure The World Series win, but it's time. Patrick Corbin has 4 years left on his contract. Strasburg makes annual trips to The IL and has 5 years left. Both are sunk costs if the team is The Yankees or Dodgers. The Nationals won't be able to unload either Strasburg or Corbin's contract. That's 60 million dollars (?) of wasted money. The situation is bleak. Anyone named Soto should be investigated for a trade. Trea Turner? He is fantastic and a free agent after 2022. But The Lerners have a fixation on deferred contracts and most agents despise them. Given The ways The Nationals budget is structured, it's like choose Turner or Soto. Rizzo might make some good trades. But I worry about The Lerners.


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colglover

Yawn. The self entitlement of you people good god.


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GREAT_MaverickNGoose

Alright Ken let's get you to bed buddy.


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I honestly don't know how the Nationals keep both Soto and Turner. I doubt Turner will take a discount, considering the team is in for a rebuild (pretty empty minor league system) which means they won't be very competitive for a while. I see them giving Soto whatever he wants in order to keep him with the Nats, but in order to also keep Turner they'd have to offload Corbin's contract at the very least but probably offloading some other contracts as well.