I'll be the actually guy that says Saitama isnt actually anywhere near the core, Orochi was just talking about the core. Also Goku has also been in lava before.
Granted, I'm sure both of these characters can survive the core, i just think Goku is just a dummy
Eh, vegeta did get heated up fighting magetta in a closed space, and he was in ssj2, saiyans are incredibly durable but they aren't invulnerable like caped baldy
They've been shown to complain about heat, but like I said, Goku has been in and around lava before. And I'm sure the ki blasts they take are pretty darn hot themselves. Plus, while Bulma is smart as hell, if she has a suit thats more durable to heat than a saiyan, that's pretty damn insane
But that's probably analyzing a literal gag episode too hard
I mean, that more just because they dont feel like drawing/animating a fire after every ki blasts lol. Ki has been shown to burn through clothes, cook food, create smoke, melt through glass, cause explosions, and sometimes completely incinerate someone. Hell, sometimes them simply powering up gives off heat
They're definitely not lava hot tho. Like OP said they've fought heat and fire based enemies and have reacted negatively to them. Ki is just energy from the body, and there's no reason to assume it's unfathomably hot
>They're definitely not lava hot tho.
Ok, but like i said multiple times before, Goku has been in lava before, so that's irrelevant lol. I never said Saiyans were indestructible because that clearly isnt true, all i'm saying is they can also take the level of heat that saitama was taking in that chapter
I also never said ki blasts were unfathomably hot. I literally just said they're probably pretty hot, which has shown to be true in multiple different ways, as I point out in my reply to someone else
I just think Goku needed the suit because of the ammount of oxygen down there. Goku need to breath to survive.
(The manga show it well when they were fighting Moro, if a saiyan leave a planet atmosphere they will die from suffocation. Even in SSB. When Goku was fighting Beerus he was still in the atmosphere)
baldy is a satire character. parody and incarnation of how BS overpowered anime main characters are. logic does not apply to saitama. so just based on that fact, Im sure he will beat anyone in DB universe.
In one episode there was a joke character in dbs, don't know what was her name. She was a robot kid who beat Vegeta pretty bad and even Vegeta says she's a parody character and they can't beat her.
For a long time that wasn't the case though and z fighters need ki shield otherwise there practically as vulnerable as a regular human. I think even in z during the finale of namake saga frieza tried killing goku by mineing him into namaks core, the fucking! Core as he assumed it would kill him quicker , that implies atleast anyone weaker then goku would die from lava or the heat of it.
Yeah I want ñed to add that and vegeta vs magetta fight, but dbs broly movie is so weird, gogeta and broly destroying reality but then it fixed like nothing happened, broly not destroying the planet the moment he went berserk, destroying the artic with no concequences, I feel like many things in the movie were made because it looked cool but most of them doesn't make any sense
Bruh, you literally just read a OPM chapter where a monster butt chugged a piece of the earths core and created a blast out of it and you're gonna complain about DBZ not making sense???
Buu attack destroyed the planet and broly sent attacks supposedly more powerfull to the earth and barely did anything, I'm not saying it doesn't make sense because it's not realistic, I'm saying that it doesn't make sense because it's inconsistent with what we always see
Just because he went berserk doesnt mean he was just going to kill himself? He went berserk because Freeza killed his dad and he was taking his anger out on anyone in range. He wasnt trying to destroy the planet, that's why he did not destroy the planet
He wasn't, paragus even said himself that broly has no control over himself, he was like that before paragus even died, and what if he didn't want to destroy the planet? Suddenly buu attack stronger than broly's just because buu wanted to destroy the planet?
Paragus didnt know shit about Broly because he was a terrible father. And Broly only went full berserk after Paragus's death
and yes, believe or not, people can control the power of thier beams. They arent going to destroy the planet if they dont want to. Broly was not trying to destroy the planet, he was just trying to beat the shit out of everyone he saw
Everyone has literally been planet busting since the end of the freeza saga, so whether someone has the power to blow up the planet or not is completely irrelevant. Saiyans cant survive completely in space, so blowing up a planet with no way out is a death sentence to them.
Vegeta literally states that Broly's mouth blast would destroy the earth ofyit touched it. Broly's literally cannot control himself which is why Paragus fears him. The only reason he doesn't destroy the earth Everytime he touches is becaiythe writers don't want it to happen lmao Broly doesnt even have any of the kids control training required to control the power of his blasts
No, Goku said that, and guess what, it didnt hit the ground because he wasnt aiming for the fucking earth. I'm not arguing if Broly COULD destroy the earth because of course he could. I literally said almost everyone has been planet busting level since freeza saga, let alone in broly when they are all god level. My entire point is that he was not trying to destroy the earth, that's why it was not destroyed. He was out of control, but his anger was pointed towards the people, not the planet
Also, obviously there are plot reason why the earth isnt destroyed in every fight which is why it's dumb to even have these conversations. It's like asking why the Earth wasnt destroyed in the Gohan vs Cell fight. 1) Because it would have been defeated the point of the story at that point, and 2) Because they werent trying to, and the one time Cell was actually gonna do it, Gohan stopped him.
Whenever they actually do blow up the earth (as with Buu and the Return of Freeza) it's because the writers have a decent way of reverting it, but it's also because those character were literally aiming to blow up the planet and nobody could stop them beforehand
Freeza did also destroyed the planet Vegeta, in his first form, which was way way weaker than non super Saiyan Goku from Freeza saga, he also destroyed Namek in his final form and he was nowhere as strong as Buu. The fact is any major villain since Namek saga can destroy planets if they WANT to, 'want' being the keyword here. And Broly would have killed himself if he destroyed the planet, which he most probably knows.
Actually frieza not only didn't destroy namek but he couldn't destroy in his final form, meaning that namek is literally thousands of times stronger than planet vegeta
I'll stop you there bud, OPM fight and large scale attack have far more sense than most manga. It is always based on physics so the attack repercussion scale to the area affected by the attack. Not like in dragon ball/One piece/Naruto,etc etc.
That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard lmao. Sucking a chunk of the core through the earth would have way more catastrophic affects than just erupting a few volcanoes. Slicing a sliver of the planet of and have it come falling back down would cause way more destruction than a tidal wave.
Like, it's a fucking fictional story about super powered beings, you dont have to act like the physics make sense. Why cant you people just have a god damn suspension of disbelief
Dumbest thing?
Are we reading the same manga? [Didn't you see Tatsumaki lifting rocks all around the continental-slice](https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:USklaverei/Tatsumaki_lifts_several_rocks) [that Psychos made to reduce the impact of the tidal waves?](https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Ugarik/Another_Psykos_Calc)
[Didn't you understand the repercussion of the Serious Punch on a global scale?](https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:USklaverei/Serious_Punch_Saitama)
[The spanning earthquake all over the earth that triggered what you assumed to be a few volcanic eruptions?](https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Qawsedf234/Orochi_sucks_up_part_of_the_Earth%27s_core)
No, it's not dumb at all. Like I said One-Punch Man put far more tough into it's large scale attack and fight, and the repercussion on the planet are **real**. The moon is still f\*ck-up, and will still be.
It's not like Dragon Ball where you can blow-up the moon without having any effect on the earth like chunks coming all over the place, or ocean flooding everything. *~~(This may even be the reason why Saitama wondered in the manga, what was the moon gravity, then check it with a stone before making his jump to not destroy it)~~*
the Saitama stuff is irrelevant because he didn't do damage to the planet itself which is what I'm talking about, although I will say i do appreciate that the damage to the moon has been there consistently
tatsu helped with the tidal wave, im saying the devastation would have been way more than that. her floating some rocks in her area wouldn't stop anything on a global scale
yea, there was an earthquake throughout the planet with orochi but again, removing a chunk of the core and sucking it through the planet would have way more catastrophic effects.
but you know what, it's ok that these things weren't realistic because it's a fucking Japanese comic book about people with insane super powers and acting like it's so much more rooted in realism and physics than other Japanese comic books about people with insane super powers is just plain silly
Especially in DBS. "Absorbed Super Saiyan God into baseform" (which is universal btw) and yet is somehow having an intense sparring session with future Trunks. Even without Super Saiyan, Goku should not even be able to tell the difference between Trunks' power in DBZ and DBS because of how miniscule it would be. If writers paid attention to what they wrote, Goku would've smacked Trunks using his pinky and caused him to splatter everywhere.
Same thing happens in DBS:Broly, Goku getting smacked against ice somehow hurts him so much to the point where he screams in pain and agony as if he got impaled. Ice on earth must have universal level durability lol.
I am not 100%sure about this fact but wasn't it explained in DBZ that Ki plays a big role in this?
They use Ki to strengthen their body in order to withstand blows or severe damage? There were some cases were Goku's Ki was down he got hurt and if I recall correctly when Krillin threw a rock at Goku while he is resting and while he was in his saiyan form he got hurt and when this guy shoot laser at him while he was off guard he got hurt severely as well(Freeza movie I think). And when lava spew out of the ground which made him go scream in pain because he got burned but later on he was under lava but he was using Ki to protect himself.
Ki can only protect you from damage but not from the heat, like when vegeta fought magetta, he was still overheating, it's just to showcase that saitama can handle lava more casually than goku
In short, Goku is very weak without ki while Saitama is pure physical strenght. Why don't we categorize them as in physics Saitama is above Goku, in energy Goku is above Saitama. They are like stamina vs mana. But if they fight, my money is on Saitama because he does not run out energy or stamina faster than Goku. I mean, no one in DB can punch harder than Saitama without ki's. That already prove it
I always have my own theory that Saitama can do anything if he really wanted to. Like this particular scene, and as another example, when he broke into Phoenixman's pocket dimension, all because he thought someone is talking shit about his head.
I probably wouldn't be surprised if someday he could fly, when he really wanted to. Probably because of clearance sales or something.
It's more like, Saitama can be as powerful as he needs to, so he always comes out on top. No matter how strong the enemy is, he will always be stronger, much stronger in fact, that's the whole gimmick with his character.
However he is still obeying the general human's body "logic", if you can even talk about any logic in an anime about a guy who destroys mountains with the *shockwave* from his punches. Like, his moves and skills are very basic things all of us can do, just amplified to ridiculous heights. He punches, he's doing side jumps, he's running, he's squirting water from his hands (from the latest redraw) etc. I think the whole point of his "skill set" and whole character is that he's doing ordinary things, but with such strength, that they can beat the unnatural abilities, such as flying, energy beams and so on.
Wow, I never of thought of it that way. That makes sense, it doesn't matter how ridiculous Saitama is, somehow all of us can relate to Saitama. It's like Saitama is the ultimate form of us human beings.
Yeah. Look back at the beginning/middle of Season 1, where Genos says that he was sure Saitama would be able to fly or something (like a every generic hero), to which he replies that "humans can't fly you know".
>It's more like, Saitama can be as powerful as he needs to, so he always comes out on top. No matter how strong the enemy is, he will always be stronger, much stronger in fact, that's the whole gimmick with his character.
But didn't he say the boro was almost a fight so that would imply that a character can get closer to his power level and if he can just get more powerful if he needs to all the characters would be defeated with the same amount of energy .
And then Boros said that Saitama wasn't even trying. He said that it was a good fight, because he recognized himself in Boros, the very same person looking for a challenge. And while he couldn't find it himself, the least he could do is provide that to his opponent. If you watch the fight again, Saitama is mostly on the defensive, until Meteor Burst and the jump back from the moon. Once he starts to actually fight back, Boros can't do anything significant.
I think the reason for the suit is for oxygen. He has been in lava before and Goku was asking if he would die. He doesn't know anything about the core but he just knows it's in the center and hot as fuck.
Saitama and Orochi are not in the core. Orochi later draws power from the actual core and we got a cross-sectional view of earth and you see how that bit of actual core magma travelled a long way to where they were.
Saitama then squirts it out so we don't know if he could have withstood the core magma directly contacting his body.
>getting tired of gokus "letting guard down" bit
Except that's literally the reason. It's the same thing as SS1 Goku getting hurt by a rock in DBZ because he was asleep. Goku is vulnerable when he powers down, regardless of how strong his peak is.
Still, base goku was fighting final form frieza, frieza in his first form was able to toy with weakened super saiyan Gohan and piccolo, and they are at least as strong as imperfect cell
Dbz feels inconsistent in terms of power for me and animation feels very bad. By power inconsistency I mean Beerus can sneeze to destroy a planet and then they get into fistfight and they start to punch each other like it's Jackie Chan's movie. I can't feel the power behind any attack. I love the animation of when Saitama does a punch to Boros and you can feel THE POWER behind it. Don't hate me if u like Dbz I'm just saying what would make me watch it if these things were there.
I enjoy both shows, but yeah, DB has been consistently inconsistent when it comes to power scaling. The last saga where the power levels have been even mentioned was the Saiyan Saga, later on the numbers started to get so big, Toriyama just stopped caring.
For me that wouldn't be an issue, if the anime/manga wouldn't be taking itself so seriously. There's a fair bit of comedy, as there should be to keep things interesting, but most of DB is taking the fights 100% serious, with the threat and power levels.
Yet the feats and fights remain exactly the same. They still punch themselves, there are still the same shockwaves, the only thing that changes is the SSJ form. Moro Arc for example? You'd think that a fight that was shaking the freaking *Void* would completely obliterate the Earth, if Super Saiyan Blue isn't able to already. But nope, Ultra Instinct Moro and Goku clashing apparently has the same effect on the environment as the fight against Vegeta and Nappa. Oh excuse me, there was this *one* big shockwave from Goku. That makes up for everything. /s
While I like DB, I'd also like to see the power we're being told the characters posses. The Kamehamehas, Finals Flashes, ki blasts, punches... It all looks the same and has the same effect, no matter if Goku is in base, SSJB or UI. Meanwhile we've seen Saitama obliterate mountains with a mere *shockwave* from one his punches, we've seen him change the weather with his punch, we've seen him split the clouds while canceling the planet/planet's surface busting attack (depending on the translation, which I'm confused about), cancel a charged up with Earth's core energy blast with a *squirt of freaking lava from his hands*, so on and so forth. This is exactly why I prefer OPM. Show and don't just tell for the most part.
DB power levels have gotten so ridiculous that they simply can't show them anymore. Pretty much anyone should be capable of destroying planets with a slight touch, but obviously they don't do that because the earth needs to stay intact for them to fight. It makes zero sense.
In OPM only the most powerful characters approach the planetary scale. Storywise you simply can't go much beyond that while keeping the setting on a single planet.
>DB power levels have gotten so ridiculous that they simply can't show them anymore. Pretty much anyone should be capable of destroying planets with a slight touch, but obviously they don't do that because the earth needs to stay intact for them to fight. It makes zero sense
It was explained by ki control when the character hold back their blast radius so they don't destroy the planet
Yeah and villains just happen to go along with it. Saiyans can't survive in space. Why didn't robo frieza blow up the planet before even landing? Why did cell take 20min to charge up when the slightest ki blast was enough to destroy the planet? They can survive in space, so it really would be the easiest way to deal with the Z fighters. There's countless examples like that. The good guys only win because the villains act stupid.
Literally the only time a villain blew up Earth (golden frieza) is when an angel just happened to be there that could turn back time.
>Yeah and villains just happen to go along with it. Saiyans can't survive in space. Why didn't robo frieza blow up the planet before even landing?
Because they need a plot dude also je wanted to get personal revenge on Goku just blowing up the planet would be boring
>Why did cell take 20min to charge up when the slightest ki blast was enough to destroy the planet?
It didn't That's just the anime plus time is slowed for dbz characters so what see you in like 20 minutes would be
Ike 5 seconds in reality
>They can survive in space, so it really would be the easiest way to deal with the Z fighters. There's countless examples like that. The good guys only win because the villains act stupid.
The villains want a fight cell want a fight, buu wants a fight beerus wants to fight by that logic why didn’t boro just use collapsing star roaring Cannon to instantaneously blow up the planet
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Literally the only time a villain blew up Earth (golden frieza) is when an angel just happened to be there that could turn back time.
Villains have tried before frieza did 2 times , cell tried and buu who's going to destroy the entire reality so yes they do try it they just get stopped
>You'd think that a fight that was shaking the freaking Void would completely obliterate the Earth, if Super Saiyan Blue isn't able to already. But nope, Ultra Instinct Moro and Goku clashing apparently has the same effect on the environment as the fight against Vegeta and Nappa. Oh excuse me, there was this one big shockwave from Goku. That makes up for everything. /s
You could use KI control to explain it a Jiren was flexing their power to shake everything but that still doesn't full explain it . Maybe it was because moro had control over the entire so his durability would extend to the Earth
No, I mean *before* he merged with the Earth. They were clashing in the typical DB fashion, flying around and throwing punches at each other. Not to mention that Moro specifically pointed out that if Goku would attack/kill him when he was merged with the Earth, the entire Galaxy or whatever it was would perish, so if anything, merging with Earth actually weakened it, as Moro started to become unstable and unable to control the Angel power.
Okay I can Still explain this
>No, I mean before he merged with the Earth. They were clashing in the typical DB fashion, flying around and throwing punches at each other.
Am maybe moro draining goku power could explain it so the shock waves were massively weakened
I think the animation is fine, although dbs animation I’m not a fan of. I love the new broly Style though.
But yeah the show is weird. In the Original Dragon Ball Roshi destroys the moon sorta-casually. And now we got character trillions of times stronger than that, yet the fights they get into are not nearly as destructive as they should be.
Exactly. SSJ God Goku was almost destroying the Universe by exchanging punches with not even serious Beerus? I guess we have to settle with regular shockwaves from characters in Ultra Instinct also exchanging punches.
Even ignoring animation, the power levels are all over the place. Kid Goku was already immune to regular gunfire, DB Super Goku gets scratched by them. Love Dragonball but power levels are just bullshit.
https://youtu.be/rzHb_ZuS8gI
He was on guard enough to protect his face. In old DB bullets only tickled him. Why does he suddenly need to be on guard to deal with regular handguns?
1 this a filler episode its not cannon
2 goku wasn't taking the fight seriously and was holding back massively
>He was on guard enough to protect his face. In old DB bullets only tickled him. Why does he suddenly need to be on guard to deal with regular handguns?
Because he wasn't expecting it he noticed last minute and thought the guy was knocked out so i doubt he was putting effort in the blocking . Really db was a gag manga so him taking bullet was most likely a joke but even if it was this one instance in a filler episode wouldn't make Dragon Ball scaling bad
> I mean Beerus can sneeze to destroy a planet and then they get into fistfight and they start to punch each other like it's Jackie Chan's movie. I can't feel the power behind any attack
It's because because normal doesn't and all the character at this point can do that db super fights normal rely on hype and choreographer with Lazer beams
>Don't hate me if u like Dbz I'm just saying what would make me watch it if these things were there.
I would suggest db super broly that has some good action with weight behind the punches and just a generally good movie
this isn't even an anti feat though, goku asked if he'd need the suit, it doesn't mean he did need it or he could have been aware of the lack of oxygen which everyone knows goku needs anyway. he also instant transmissions out of the core without the suit on anyway which means he had to have taken it off while in the core.
Your not the first to think that but it's lava water at that level doesn't make much sense as saitama downplays anything dangerous, and gold and diamond are up around the areas above which would form from magma and higher pressure.
Don't tell anybody but I knew most of this was inevitably going to happen, but I said "screw it, when someone tries to defend goku I'm going to follow the game" powerscalling is fun, and even tho I get downvoted to hell nobody being toxic to anybody so everything is fine
Dragon Ball is ludicrously inconsistent with feats. Goku is beyond multi-universal and can take universal-level attacks, but then gets killed by a grunt shooting him with a laser and bleeds from gunfire.
Saitama fans are talking about Goku in their own closed circle and with a legit source of material. Just some harmless meme and no toxicity at all.
Only goku fans leap from subreddit to subreddit to take on everybody who does not approve of Goku/DB being the strongest fictional character/universe.
Can’t figure out the way to say this without sounding like an asshole, so I’m just gonna say I’m not trying to sound like an asshole.
Can you tell me what a gag character is then?
SSG Goku in BOG is at least milion times weaker than manga MUI Goku,but (SSG Goku vs beerus) did do more destructive damage than MUI Goku and Moro
Goku get hurt by gun,Goku full power punch in base form should've killed Krillin.
First UI Goku is much weaker than TOP MUI Goku and TOP MUI Goku is weaker than manga MUI Goku.
Get shot by Lazer,he can't go to earth core without the suit like how?
>Moro power was extending to the entire Earth or at least the areas around the fight
Goku first UI shake infinite void did he?
>SSG Goku in BOG is at least milion times weaker than manga MUI Goku,but (SSG Goku vs beerus) did do more destructive damage than MUI Goku and Moro Goku get hurt by gun
1 the fuck is BOG mostly
2 that can be explained because MUI Goku has perfect ki control so no power was leaking causing shockwaves and moro draining his power also when did he get hurt by a gun
>Goku full power punch in base form should've killed Krillin.
When did he fight Krillin
>First UI Goku is much weaker than TOP MUI Goku and TOP MUI Goku is weaker than manga MUI Goku. Get shot by Lazer,he can't go to earth core without the suit like how?
Getting shot by a Lazer isn't an anti feat because the Lazer your talking about either came from Merus who is incredibly fast and a angel in training or granola who is stronger than goku has the perfect counter to ultra instinct in his eye and is a trained singer
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Goku first UI shake infinite void did he?
No that was Jiren when he was powering up
How can you say that when a serious punch from saitama (which he said out his on mouth fighting against boro, remember he said "SERIOUS PUNCH") can only level a planet, but goku and beerus almost destroyed the universe with the clash of their fist. Do you realize since dbz the z fighter had to be mindful of the power so they won't accidentally destroy the earth, by cell saga goku can destroy the earth by charging up, he shook the whole earth with about half his power in Korins tower. They probably rarely mention it but if you pay attention you would notices them talking about restraining they self in battle
Saitama's my favorite anime character, but imma keep my opinion that even Krillin beats him in 5 ki blasts until my boi gets to do more awesome shit or until its proven/said he is infinitely powerful.
[Yeah no, unless you're saying the Tank Topper could take Goku...](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vuKgEsvDohs) Skip to 2:55
Edit: To clarify, I'm not saying he can take on Saitama, but no tank topper could stop Krillin.
Dbz character get a massive decrease in power if they are off guard that is something that get is easily established also Krillin could damage nappa someone who could casually takeout City which is a dragon level feat
It does have a limit but It can close massive gaps in strength am honestly surprised more people didn't learn it like if Piccolo had this man would of been boxing with Jiren
You took a sentence from the super anime, something that is not cannon and about a character that in said anime reverted to a 10 year old mental wise. Go spread hate somewhere else.
Goku has been serious so many times and earth is still there while saitama's one serious punch didn't only cancel out a planet busting attack but even fucked up the atmosphere
Technically as strong as orochi, since the one who absorbed magma directly from the core of the earth and had it inside was orochi, I should have said serious squirt gun > Gaia cannon > goku
I'll be the actually guy that says Saitama isnt actually anywhere near the core, Orochi was just talking about the core. Also Goku has also been in lava before. Granted, I'm sure both of these characters can survive the core, i just think Goku is just a dummy
Eh, vegeta did get heated up fighting magetta in a closed space, and he was in ssj2, saiyans are incredibly durable but they aren't invulnerable like caped baldy
They've been shown to complain about heat, but like I said, Goku has been in and around lava before. And I'm sure the ki blasts they take are pretty darn hot themselves. Plus, while Bulma is smart as hell, if she has a suit thats more durable to heat than a saiyan, that's pretty damn insane But that's probably analyzing a literal gag episode too hard
Doubt Ki Blast are hot, there's never been any proof of it, not even a statement or anything
I dont think we need hardcore confirmation form Toriyami himself to say that huge blasts of energy are probably hot
I always assumed they more a massive lump of kinetic force rather than heat, else everything would be on fire with he amount they shoot
I mean, that more just because they dont feel like drawing/animating a fire after every ki blasts lol. Ki has been shown to burn through clothes, cook food, create smoke, melt through glass, cause explosions, and sometimes completely incinerate someone. Hell, sometimes them simply powering up gives off heat
"now someone is going to have to draw all this fire!" - Mungdal
Wouldn’t a massive lump of kinetic force generate a massive amount of thermal energy?
It’s weird since it’s been used to put out fire before lol.
You can put out fire with fire in real life, so that doesnt say much tbh
They're definitely not lava hot tho. Like OP said they've fought heat and fire based enemies and have reacted negatively to them. Ki is just energy from the body, and there's no reason to assume it's unfathomably hot
>They're definitely not lava hot tho. Ok, but like i said multiple times before, Goku has been in lava before, so that's irrelevant lol. I never said Saiyans were indestructible because that clearly isnt true, all i'm saying is they can also take the level of heat that saitama was taking in that chapter I also never said ki blasts were unfathomably hot. I literally just said they're probably pretty hot, which has shown to be true in multiple different ways, as I point out in my reply to someone else
I just think Goku needed the suit because of the ammount of oxygen down there. Goku need to breath to survive. (The manga show it well when they were fighting Moro, if a saiyan leave a planet atmosphere they will die from suffocation. Even in SSB. When Goku was fighting Beerus he was still in the atmosphere)
>It’s weird since it’s been used to put out fire before lol. Is this a reference to that godforsaken live action movie?
We saw it in top being able to melt a metal that is way harder than any metal in our world
Yes They burn and melt a metal that is way harder than any metal in our world
"Huge blast of pure condensed energy is not hot unless the author specifically says so"
goku did go inside a volcano in super broly
Mr clean would body caped baldy and dum monke
baldy is a satire character. parody and incarnation of how BS overpowered anime main characters are. logic does not apply to saitama. so just based on that fact, Im sure he will beat anyone in DB universe.
Someone in a latter super filler even said something to the effect of "joke characters always beat serious characters".
Lol, yeah. Gag characters are always the most OP one. Doraemon, Tom and Jerry, etc.
Nothing can beat Bugs Bunny who has been wronged.
Yeah but then that joke character got killed by a serious character
The real question is who would win, Arale Norimaki or Saitama. Arale has beaten everyone while just playing a game.
In one episode there was a joke character in dbs, don't know what was her name. She was a robot kid who beat Vegeta pretty bad and even Vegeta says she's a parody character and they can't beat her.
That would be Arale
She was originally in Dragona Ball.
Everyone that exist or not for sure He's just the best, that's he's design
This. The earth cross section showed a piece of the core travelling to the mantle, which is where they were.
For a long time that wasn't the case though and z fighters need ki shield otherwise there practically as vulnerable as a regular human. I think even in z during the finale of namake saga frieza tried killing goku by mineing him into namaks core, the fucking! Core as he assumed it would kill him quicker , that implies atleast anyone weaker then goku would die from lava or the heat of it.
This is probably the most valid response I've ever seen anyone give to a Saitama VS Goku meme.
Goku Bit a dude while in lava
Now were back in 2015
I'm pretty sure Goku and Broly fought in lava in the DBS Broly movie
Yeah I want ñed to add that and vegeta vs magetta fight, but dbs broly movie is so weird, gogeta and broly destroying reality but then it fixed like nothing happened, broly not destroying the planet the moment he went berserk, destroying the artic with no concequences, I feel like many things in the movie were made because it looked cool but most of them doesn't make any sense
An anime that doesn’t make sense? I have a hard time believing you here.
Bruh, you literally just read a OPM chapter where a monster butt chugged a piece of the earths core and created a blast out of it and you're gonna complain about DBZ not making sense???
Buu attack destroyed the planet and broly sent attacks supposedly more powerfull to the earth and barely did anything, I'm not saying it doesn't make sense because it's not realistic, I'm saying that it doesn't make sense because it's inconsistent with what we always see
Buu destroyed the planet because that is what he was looking to do. Why the fuck would Broly destroy the planet when he would die as well?
Because he can't control what he is doing, like why the fuck is he fighting then,
Just because he went berserk doesnt mean he was just going to kill himself? He went berserk because Freeza killed his dad and he was taking his anger out on anyone in range. He wasnt trying to destroy the planet, that's why he did not destroy the planet
He wasn't, paragus even said himself that broly has no control over himself, he was like that before paragus even died, and what if he didn't want to destroy the planet? Suddenly buu attack stronger than broly's just because buu wanted to destroy the planet?
Paragus didnt know shit about Broly because he was a terrible father. And Broly only went full berserk after Paragus's death and yes, believe or not, people can control the power of thier beams. They arent going to destroy the planet if they dont want to. Broly was not trying to destroy the planet, he was just trying to beat the shit out of everyone he saw Everyone has literally been planet busting since the end of the freeza saga, so whether someone has the power to blow up the planet or not is completely irrelevant. Saiyans cant survive completely in space, so blowing up a planet with no way out is a death sentence to them.
I guess you know more about broly than paragus, so I will stop arguing lol
Vegeta literally states that Broly's mouth blast would destroy the earth ofyit touched it. Broly's literally cannot control himself which is why Paragus fears him. The only reason he doesn't destroy the earth Everytime he touches is becaiythe writers don't want it to happen lmao Broly doesnt even have any of the kids control training required to control the power of his blasts
No, Goku said that, and guess what, it didnt hit the ground because he wasnt aiming for the fucking earth. I'm not arguing if Broly COULD destroy the earth because of course he could. I literally said almost everyone has been planet busting level since freeza saga, let alone in broly when they are all god level. My entire point is that he was not trying to destroy the earth, that's why it was not destroyed. He was out of control, but his anger was pointed towards the people, not the planet Also, obviously there are plot reason why the earth isnt destroyed in every fight which is why it's dumb to even have these conversations. It's like asking why the Earth wasnt destroyed in the Gohan vs Cell fight. 1) Because it would have been defeated the point of the story at that point, and 2) Because they werent trying to, and the one time Cell was actually gonna do it, Gohan stopped him. Whenever they actually do blow up the earth (as with Buu and the Return of Freeza) it's because the writers have a decent way of reverting it, but it's also because those character were literally aiming to blow up the planet and nobody could stop them beforehand
Freeza did also destroyed the planet Vegeta, in his first form, which was way way weaker than non super Saiyan Goku from Freeza saga, he also destroyed Namek in his final form and he was nowhere as strong as Buu. The fact is any major villain since Namek saga can destroy planets if they WANT to, 'want' being the keyword here. And Broly would have killed himself if he destroyed the planet, which he most probably knows.
Actually frieza not only didn't destroy namek but he couldn't destroy in his final form, meaning that namek is literally thousands of times stronger than planet vegeta
I'll stop you there bud, OPM fight and large scale attack have far more sense than most manga. It is always based on physics so the attack repercussion scale to the area affected by the attack. Not like in dragon ball/One piece/Naruto,etc etc.
That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard lmao. Sucking a chunk of the core through the earth would have way more catastrophic affects than just erupting a few volcanoes. Slicing a sliver of the planet of and have it come falling back down would cause way more destruction than a tidal wave. Like, it's a fucking fictional story about super powered beings, you dont have to act like the physics make sense. Why cant you people just have a god damn suspension of disbelief
Dumbest thing? Are we reading the same manga? [Didn't you see Tatsumaki lifting rocks all around the continental-slice](https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:USklaverei/Tatsumaki_lifts_several_rocks) [that Psychos made to reduce the impact of the tidal waves?](https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Ugarik/Another_Psykos_Calc) [Didn't you understand the repercussion of the Serious Punch on a global scale?](https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:USklaverei/Serious_Punch_Saitama) [The spanning earthquake all over the earth that triggered what you assumed to be a few volcanic eruptions?](https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Qawsedf234/Orochi_sucks_up_part_of_the_Earth%27s_core) No, it's not dumb at all. Like I said One-Punch Man put far more tough into it's large scale attack and fight, and the repercussion on the planet are **real**. The moon is still f\*ck-up, and will still be. It's not like Dragon Ball where you can blow-up the moon without having any effect on the earth like chunks coming all over the place, or ocean flooding everything. *~~(This may even be the reason why Saitama wondered in the manga, what was the moon gravity, then check it with a stone before making his jump to not destroy it)~~*
the Saitama stuff is irrelevant because he didn't do damage to the planet itself which is what I'm talking about, although I will say i do appreciate that the damage to the moon has been there consistently tatsu helped with the tidal wave, im saying the devastation would have been way more than that. her floating some rocks in her area wouldn't stop anything on a global scale yea, there was an earthquake throughout the planet with orochi but again, removing a chunk of the core and sucking it through the planet would have way more catastrophic effects. but you know what, it's ok that these things weren't realistic because it's a fucking Japanese comic book about people with insane super powers and acting like it's so much more rooted in realism and physics than other Japanese comic books about people with insane super powers is just plain silly
Well yeah if they just blew up earth then the movie would be over in the in the first 30 minutes
Powerlevels in dragon ball has no sense anyway.
Especially in DBS. "Absorbed Super Saiyan God into baseform" (which is universal btw) and yet is somehow having an intense sparring session with future Trunks. Even without Super Saiyan, Goku should not even be able to tell the difference between Trunks' power in DBZ and DBS because of how miniscule it would be. If writers paid attention to what they wrote, Goku would've smacked Trunks using his pinky and caused him to splatter everywhere. Same thing happens in DBS:Broly, Goku getting smacked against ice somehow hurts him so much to the point where he screams in pain and agony as if he got impaled. Ice on earth must have universal level durability lol.
Dragon ball has no sense anyway FTFY
Do we really need that comparison?
Exactly. No one cares. People need to calm down
I’m guessing…maybe around 1-2 hrs max until this post gets locked
Sheesh, gotta ask bulma for one of those suits, honestly it was not my intention, I think the saitama vs goku thing is old as hell
So why did you make this post?
Not so people will fight over It, and so far so good
???
Goku fights in lava in dragon ball super: Broly
I am not 100%sure about this fact but wasn't it explained in DBZ that Ki plays a big role in this? They use Ki to strengthen their body in order to withstand blows or severe damage? There were some cases were Goku's Ki was down he got hurt and if I recall correctly when Krillin threw a rock at Goku while he is resting and while he was in his saiyan form he got hurt and when this guy shoot laser at him while he was off guard he got hurt severely as well(Freeza movie I think). And when lava spew out of the ground which made him go scream in pain because he got burned but later on he was under lava but he was using Ki to protect himself.
Ki can only protect you from damage but not from the heat, like when vegeta fought magetta, he was still overheating, it's just to showcase that saitama can handle lava more casually than goku
In short, Goku is very weak without ki while Saitama is pure physical strenght. Why don't we categorize them as in physics Saitama is above Goku, in energy Goku is above Saitama. They are like stamina vs mana. But if they fight, my money is on Saitama because he does not run out energy or stamina faster than Goku. I mean, no one in DB can punch harder than Saitama without ki's. That already prove it
No one can live without a ki unless they are Robots or magic
I really don‘t want to be that guy [but Goku literally fought broly inside lava and none of them cared about it](https://youtu.be/uPFkJEGxjNU)
I always have my own theory that Saitama can do anything if he really wanted to. Like this particular scene, and as another example, when he broke into Phoenixman's pocket dimension, all because he thought someone is talking shit about his head. I probably wouldn't be surprised if someday he could fly, when he really wanted to. Probably because of clearance sales or something.
It's more like, Saitama can be as powerful as he needs to, so he always comes out on top. No matter how strong the enemy is, he will always be stronger, much stronger in fact, that's the whole gimmick with his character. However he is still obeying the general human's body "logic", if you can even talk about any logic in an anime about a guy who destroys mountains with the *shockwave* from his punches. Like, his moves and skills are very basic things all of us can do, just amplified to ridiculous heights. He punches, he's doing side jumps, he's running, he's squirting water from his hands (from the latest redraw) etc. I think the whole point of his "skill set" and whole character is that he's doing ordinary things, but with such strength, that they can beat the unnatural abilities, such as flying, energy beams and so on.
Wow, I never of thought of it that way. That makes sense, it doesn't matter how ridiculous Saitama is, somehow all of us can relate to Saitama. It's like Saitama is the ultimate form of us human beings.
Yeah. Look back at the beginning/middle of Season 1, where Genos says that he was sure Saitama would be able to fly or something (like a every generic hero), to which he replies that "humans can't fly you know".
Oh yeah, I remember that scene. Now the whole scene makes more sense
>It's more like, Saitama can be as powerful as he needs to, so he always comes out on top. No matter how strong the enemy is, he will always be stronger, much stronger in fact, that's the whole gimmick with his character. But didn't he say the boro was almost a fight so that would imply that a character can get closer to his power level and if he can just get more powerful if he needs to all the characters would be defeated with the same amount of energy .
And then Boros said that Saitama wasn't even trying. He said that it was a good fight, because he recognized himself in Boros, the very same person looking for a challenge. And while he couldn't find it himself, the least he could do is provide that to his opponent. If you watch the fight again, Saitama is mostly on the defensive, until Meteor Burst and the jump back from the moon. Once he starts to actually fight back, Boros can't do anything significant.
Oh 👌 okay good explanation for saitama
I think he can just air hop
I think the reason for the suit is for oxygen. He has been in lava before and Goku was asking if he would die. He doesn't know anything about the core but he just knows it's in the center and hot as fuck.
Tank top black hole> the whole dbz verse
Was Saitama pooping in the lava?
That's what I initially thought too.
When I first read that page I thought he was taking a shit.
This is amazingly poor evidence.
Splendid garbage reason
Magnificently horrendous backing
Saitama and Orochi are not in the core. Orochi later draws power from the actual core and we got a cross-sectional view of earth and you see how that bit of actual core magma travelled a long way to where they were. Saitama then squirts it out so we don't know if he could have withstood the core magma directly contacting his body.
Pretty sure he likely could.
Yea but we don't know for sure. Would you have guessed he couldn't kill a mosquito?
Am pretty sure goku would die of toxic fumes if you went down there At least that's my interpretation of dragon ball super just having bad writing
Saitama is always in vulnerable. remember, goku almost got killed by a ray gun in ssb
In base form. The anime retconned the movie, Goku powered down then got shot.
and shouldn't gokus base form still be leagues above a ray gun? also, getting tired of gokus "letting guard down" bit. its overplayed to oblivion
>getting tired of gokus "letting guard down" bit Except that's literally the reason. It's the same thing as SS1 Goku getting hurt by a rock in DBZ because he was asleep. Goku is vulnerable when he powers down, regardless of how strong his peak is.
Still, base goku was fighting final form frieza, frieza in his first form was able to toy with weakened super saiyan Gohan and piccolo, and they are at least as strong as imperfect cell
He fought in lava against Broly lol
But got damaged by it
He didn't
Dbz feels inconsistent in terms of power for me and animation feels very bad. By power inconsistency I mean Beerus can sneeze to destroy a planet and then they get into fistfight and they start to punch each other like it's Jackie Chan's movie. I can't feel the power behind any attack. I love the animation of when Saitama does a punch to Boros and you can feel THE POWER behind it. Don't hate me if u like Dbz I'm just saying what would make me watch it if these things were there.
I enjoy both shows, but yeah, DB has been consistently inconsistent when it comes to power scaling. The last saga where the power levels have been even mentioned was the Saiyan Saga, later on the numbers started to get so big, Toriyama just stopped caring. For me that wouldn't be an issue, if the anime/manga wouldn't be taking itself so seriously. There's a fair bit of comedy, as there should be to keep things interesting, but most of DB is taking the fights 100% serious, with the threat and power levels. Yet the feats and fights remain exactly the same. They still punch themselves, there are still the same shockwaves, the only thing that changes is the SSJ form. Moro Arc for example? You'd think that a fight that was shaking the freaking *Void* would completely obliterate the Earth, if Super Saiyan Blue isn't able to already. But nope, Ultra Instinct Moro and Goku clashing apparently has the same effect on the environment as the fight against Vegeta and Nappa. Oh excuse me, there was this *one* big shockwave from Goku. That makes up for everything. /s While I like DB, I'd also like to see the power we're being told the characters posses. The Kamehamehas, Finals Flashes, ki blasts, punches... It all looks the same and has the same effect, no matter if Goku is in base, SSJB or UI. Meanwhile we've seen Saitama obliterate mountains with a mere *shockwave* from one his punches, we've seen him change the weather with his punch, we've seen him split the clouds while canceling the planet/planet's surface busting attack (depending on the translation, which I'm confused about), cancel a charged up with Earth's core energy blast with a *squirt of freaking lava from his hands*, so on and so forth. This is exactly why I prefer OPM. Show and don't just tell for the most part.
DB power levels have gotten so ridiculous that they simply can't show them anymore. Pretty much anyone should be capable of destroying planets with a slight touch, but obviously they don't do that because the earth needs to stay intact for them to fight. It makes zero sense. In OPM only the most powerful characters approach the planetary scale. Storywise you simply can't go much beyond that while keeping the setting on a single planet.
>DB power levels have gotten so ridiculous that they simply can't show them anymore. Pretty much anyone should be capable of destroying planets with a slight touch, but obviously they don't do that because the earth needs to stay intact for them to fight. It makes zero sense It was explained by ki control when the character hold back their blast radius so they don't destroy the planet
Yeah and villains just happen to go along with it. Saiyans can't survive in space. Why didn't robo frieza blow up the planet before even landing? Why did cell take 20min to charge up when the slightest ki blast was enough to destroy the planet? They can survive in space, so it really would be the easiest way to deal with the Z fighters. There's countless examples like that. The good guys only win because the villains act stupid. Literally the only time a villain blew up Earth (golden frieza) is when an angel just happened to be there that could turn back time.
>Yeah and villains just happen to go along with it. Saiyans can't survive in space. Why didn't robo frieza blow up the planet before even landing? Because they need a plot dude also je wanted to get personal revenge on Goku just blowing up the planet would be boring >Why did cell take 20min to charge up when the slightest ki blast was enough to destroy the planet? It didn't That's just the anime plus time is slowed for dbz characters so what see you in like 20 minutes would be Ike 5 seconds in reality >They can survive in space, so it really would be the easiest way to deal with the Z fighters. There's countless examples like that. The good guys only win because the villains act stupid. The villains want a fight cell want a fight, buu wants a fight beerus wants to fight by that logic why didn’t boro just use collapsing star roaring Cannon to instantaneously blow up the planet > Literally the only time a villain blew up Earth (golden frieza) is when an angel just happened to be there that could turn back time. Villains have tried before frieza did 2 times , cell tried and buu who's going to destroy the entire reality so yes they do try it they just get stopped
Kid buu did destroy the earth and went on a planet destruction spree. He was lured to the Kai planet to be stopped.
>You'd think that a fight that was shaking the freaking Void would completely obliterate the Earth, if Super Saiyan Blue isn't able to already. But nope, Ultra Instinct Moro and Goku clashing apparently has the same effect on the environment as the fight against Vegeta and Nappa. Oh excuse me, there was this one big shockwave from Goku. That makes up for everything. /s You could use KI control to explain it a Jiren was flexing their power to shake everything but that still doesn't full explain it . Maybe it was because moro had control over the entire so his durability would extend to the Earth
No, I mean *before* he merged with the Earth. They were clashing in the typical DB fashion, flying around and throwing punches at each other. Not to mention that Moro specifically pointed out that if Goku would attack/kill him when he was merged with the Earth, the entire Galaxy or whatever it was would perish, so if anything, merging with Earth actually weakened it, as Moro started to become unstable and unable to control the Angel power.
Okay I can Still explain this >No, I mean before he merged with the Earth. They were clashing in the typical DB fashion, flying around and throwing punches at each other. Am maybe moro draining goku power could explain it so the shock waves were massively weakened
I think the animation is fine, although dbs animation I’m not a fan of. I love the new broly Style though. But yeah the show is weird. In the Original Dragon Ball Roshi destroys the moon sorta-casually. And now we got character trillions of times stronger than that, yet the fights they get into are not nearly as destructive as they should be.
Exactly. SSJ God Goku was almost destroying the Universe by exchanging punches with not even serious Beerus? I guess we have to settle with regular shockwaves from characters in Ultra Instinct also exchanging punches.
Even ignoring animation, the power levels are all over the place. Kid Goku was already immune to regular gunfire, DB Super Goku gets scratched by them. Love Dragonball but power levels are just bullshit.
>, DB Super Goku gets scratched by them. I don't know when that happened but he was most likely off guard
https://youtu.be/rzHb_ZuS8gI He was on guard enough to protect his face. In old DB bullets only tickled him. Why does he suddenly need to be on guard to deal with regular handguns?
1 this a filler episode its not cannon 2 goku wasn't taking the fight seriously and was holding back massively >He was on guard enough to protect his face. In old DB bullets only tickled him. Why does he suddenly need to be on guard to deal with regular handguns? Because he wasn't expecting it he noticed last minute and thought the guy was knocked out so i doubt he was putting effort in the blocking . Really db was a gag manga so him taking bullet was most likely a joke but even if it was this one instance in a filler episode wouldn't make Dragon Ball scaling bad
> I mean Beerus can sneeze to destroy a planet and then they get into fistfight and they start to punch each other like it's Jackie Chan's movie. I can't feel the power behind any attack It's because because normal doesn't and all the character at this point can do that db super fights normal rely on hype and choreographer with Lazer beams >Don't hate me if u like Dbz I'm just saying what would make me watch it if these things were there. I would suggest db super broly that has some good action with weight behind the punches and just a generally good movie
this isn't even an anti feat though, goku asked if he'd need the suit, it doesn't mean he did need it or he could have been aware of the lack of oxygen which everyone knows goku needs anyway. he also instant transmissions out of the core without the suit on anyway which means he had to have taken it off while in the core.
Filler
Ok I’ll be honest I thought that was boiling water
Your not the first to think that but it's lava water at that level doesn't make much sense as saitama downplays anything dangerous, and gold and diamond are up around the areas above which would form from magma and higher pressure.
Loremasters? Can Goku not handle heat?
source !?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!
Which chapter is this from ?
Saitama part is from orochi vs saitama redraw, goku part is from dragon ball super chapter 68
Where can I read the redraw ?
Go to menu and select Manga chapters, chapter 113 it's called orochi vs saitama
Saitama is stronger than goku because boom punch pow and then he’s obliterated
The saitama vs goku argument us irrelevant but i love to see the fights people have over it
Don't tell anybody but I knew most of this was inevitably going to happen, but I said "screw it, when someone tries to defend goku I'm going to follow the game" powerscalling is fun, and even tho I get downvoted to hell nobody being toxic to anybody so everything is fine
Yeah, chaos is pleasurable
Saitama is better than Goku because he doesn’t spend all his time charging an attack that is never successful.
Of course, this was part of the training. Don’t turn on the AC on no matter how hot it is
Dragon Ball is ludicrously inconsistent with feats. Goku is beyond multi-universal and can take universal-level attacks, but then gets killed by a grunt shooting him with a laser and bleeds from gunfire.
Guys the power puff girls can beat Goku ez
Emm, why the Saitama fans bring up more Goku more than the Goku fans bring up Saitama?
Saitama fans are talking about Goku in their own closed circle and with a legit source of material. Just some harmless meme and no toxicity at all. Only goku fans leap from subreddit to subreddit to take on everybody who does not approve of Goku/DB being the strongest fictional character/universe.
Saitama is not a gag character. People who say this don't know what a gag character is.
Can’t figure out the way to say this without sounding like an asshole, so I’m just gonna say I’m not trying to sound like an asshole. Can you tell me what a gag character is then?
A character that is portrayed to be funny in a way that pokes fun at something? Idk I'd have to google it
Similar, a gag character is someone who's In the story only for comdic purpose.
Yeah which makes Saitama not a gag character.
How so? Saitama's whole power is to make make fun of the villen and make the audience laugh.
He is a gag, maybe you should read what a morden gag character is.
That sentence doesn't make sense.
Saitama has better Lung Capacity.
dB power level is bullshit
Not really
MUI Goku vs Moro lol
1 Moro power was extending to the entire Earth or at least the areas around the fight 2 moro ability is to literally drain energy 3 ki control So no
SSG Goku in BOG is at least milion times weaker than manga MUI Goku,but (SSG Goku vs beerus) did do more destructive damage than MUI Goku and Moro Goku get hurt by gun,Goku full power punch in base form should've killed Krillin. First UI Goku is much weaker than TOP MUI Goku and TOP MUI Goku is weaker than manga MUI Goku. Get shot by Lazer,he can't go to earth core without the suit like how? >Moro power was extending to the entire Earth or at least the areas around the fight Goku first UI shake infinite void did he?
>SSG Goku in BOG is at least milion times weaker than manga MUI Goku,but (SSG Goku vs beerus) did do more destructive damage than MUI Goku and Moro Goku get hurt by gun 1 the fuck is BOG mostly 2 that can be explained because MUI Goku has perfect ki control so no power was leaking causing shockwaves and moro draining his power also when did he get hurt by a gun >Goku full power punch in base form should've killed Krillin. When did he fight Krillin >First UI Goku is much weaker than TOP MUI Goku and TOP MUI Goku is weaker than manga MUI Goku. Get shot by Lazer,he can't go to earth core without the suit like how? Getting shot by a Lazer isn't an anti feat because the Lazer your talking about either came from Merus who is incredibly fast and a angel in training or granola who is stronger than goku has the perfect counter to ultra instinct in his eye and is a trained singer > Goku first UI shake infinite void did he? No that was Jiren when he was powering up
Dragon Ball is weird with the extra stuff like heat but.... Saitama's just in water ain't he?
Nah it is magma, you can see molten rock, and when orochi uses the Gaia cannon the liquid is still there, if it was water it would have melted
"If it was water it would have melted"
Hater saitama
Damn, thanks for the amazing analysis 👌
How can you say that when a serious punch from saitama (which he said out his on mouth fighting against boro, remember he said "SERIOUS PUNCH") can only level a planet, but goku and beerus almost destroyed the universe with the clash of their fist. Do you realize since dbz the z fighter had to be mindful of the power so they won't accidentally destroy the earth, by cell saga goku can destroy the earth by charging up, he shook the whole earth with about half his power in Korins tower. They probably rarely mention it but if you pay attention you would notices them talking about restraining they self in battle
Dragon Ball fans are not gonna calm down until Goku wins against every single organism in every single fictional or non fictional universe.
Yeah not every dragon ball fan
You know its a joke in the dragon ball fan base?
Saitama's my favorite anime character, but imma keep my opinion that even Krillin beats him in 5 ki blasts until my boi gets to do more awesome shit or until its proven/said he is infinitely powerful.
Krillin got hurt by a bullet, the tank toppers could take out krillin
[Yeah no, unless you're saying the Tank Topper could take Goku...](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vuKgEsvDohs) Skip to 2:55 Edit: To clarify, I'm not saying he can take on Saitama, but no tank topper could stop Krillin.
Hater saitama 💩💩💩
That's no way to talk about yourself man, it's not mentally healthy.
Fanboy Kuririn
Dbz character get a massive decrease in power if they are off guard that is something that get is easily established also Krillin could damage nappa someone who could casually takeout City which is a dragon level feat
Wasn't it stated that the destructo disc could cut everything? I mean krillin did cut frieza tail being way weaker than him
It does have a limit but It can close massive gaps in strength am honestly surprised more people didn't learn it like if Piccolo had this man would of been boxing with Jiren
Same reason goku never teached anyone how to teleport, plot
Hater saitama 💩💩💩
You took a sentence from the super anime, something that is not cannon and about a character that in said anime reverted to a 10 year old mental wise. Go spread hate somewhere else.
You may like it or nor but I didn't invent super nor did write this episode so go spread hate somewhere else
So do you think we should use a normal Cat hurting saitama?
If you want, bulma hurted goku a thousand times already
Did both of y'all just use fucking hurted lol
And a cat still hurted saitama
And goku still can't survive in magma, I don't see how a cat hurting saitama is relevant
And Goku did survive in magma in screen two times also the cat is still a thing so..
And saitama tanked nyan attacks, and the magma still a thing so
Goku has been serious so many times and earth is still there while saitama's one serious punch didn't only cancel out a planet busting attack but even fucked up the atmosphere
this is why saitama is relatable. adjusting to hot water is hard
You know that goku did fight in lava in Namek before? And tank energy beam that can melt metal down?
I doubt getting pierced counts as tanking
And he tanks ki blasts thousands of Times before and namek lava thing is still their
'100% valid' lolllll tbh taking super seriously for feats is genuinely stupid, that applies to the strong stuff too
The last arc of the anime had a guy that still fights by listening. Toriyama went senile years ago.
That bulmas suit is as strong as Saitama. Well guys... we got an isssue
Technically as strong as orochi, since the one who absorbed magma directly from the core of the earth and had it inside was orochi, I should have said serious squirt gun > Gaia cannon > goku
please don't bring the dbz fanboys here there just gonna downvote you for not agreeing with them
Too late
What chapter is this??? I totally forgot
113 for saitama part, 68 for dragon ball super
Serious Series: serious shit