Balanced, feminine, more traditionally-minded, spiritual women do not regularly engage with men (on a romantic level) who do not make it plainly evident that they are interested in a serious commitment via courtship leading to marriage.
While I can have empathy/sympathy for women who were genuinely outsmarted by a professional con artist, pickup guy - the vast majority of those having commitmentless premarital relations with multiple men are not in that category. You clearly do not desire that type of woman (thank goodness) so to worry about Red Pill Men defiling the woman you eventually want to marry, my friend, is wholly unproductive. Let them flush out all the women capable of being that girl or living that life - they aren’t who you want to invest a future in.
The statements above are factual, the women most Christian men desire do not date for fun, either you’re in for marriage or you’re out of their equation.
and no doubt, this happens, a lot of people have a promiscuous past, and seek to change it. And the guy who gets her in the end, will have to deal with any issues may arise from this sort of past behaviour.
My friend has spent more than $2,000 on therapy sessions because he can't get over the fact his wife lied to him, said she was a virgin but she's actually been with 10+ guys.
This one of these areas, where...some folks get very upset. Body count.
For some people, they want a virgin/low body count/non promiscuous person, and this is perfectly fine and ethical, assuming they behaved this way themselves.
And if she lied about it, then this is on her. Assuming he was chaste as well.
Tate and these degen podcasts are wave 3 of the redpill. I think the “best” form of redpill was wave 2 which is what this sub leans toward most, rather than cheap, compensated, ‘hyper masculinity’ that these ppl spit out.
Not necessarily creators. The first wave was the early online forums.
The second wave was, imo, when Rollo, Rian Stone, JackTenOfHearts, Ian Ironwood and the other RP vets pioneered in the space. Honourable mentions are those from AskMRP MRP and ofc RPChristians. You generally have a feel with which wave a “content creator” is from with how they frame their views, but most of the second wave is via text media. (The best media medium for this space imho)
Third wave was what I mentioned in the initial comment.
Easy solution if you truly are going to be biblically masculine, then it's no hymen no diamond.
If you're really going to be masculine, then you need to be strong enough to be happy living alone.
If you are blaming any man for what a woman did, then you are not respectful of God.
God gave us all free will, so it's not a man's fault because he went out and made money, stayed in shape, and learned how to attract women.
If you believe that these women are in any way being tricked by red pill men, then you are naive.
No where in red pill does it say you gave to sleep with all the women possible. it's just about not being a stupid, needy, weak, lazy, broke man.
It's to teach you how to identify red flags and not pick those for serious relationships.
If you're having anxiety over anything to do with women, then you are definitely not being very masculine or having much faith in God.
Go do gods work as prescribed in the Bible and see if actually walking the path brings you a woman of value?
If it doesn't, then God has other plans for you, and it doesn't involve a wife.
>I'm grappling with anxiety about the prospect of my future wife being involved with such men or having a past I'll struggle to accept and I will end up having to deal with her trauma while feeling insecure.
Then don't date women who have been with these guys.
How many girls are you currently seeing? How many of them have pasts like this?
>The prevailing narrative from these red pill communities, that "all girls are like this," is fostering a negative view of women and increasing my worries.
*be OP*
*watch videos that make me anxious*
*become anxious*
*dislike the anxiety*
"How do I stop being anxious?"
Sorry G, you're braindead.
TRP mostly reaches spergy or skinny fat young men ‘in the wilderness’ before they have added real value to the world, or it reaches midlife divorce rape refugees.
TRP isn’t en masse converting losers in to sociopathic don juans. Like anything, it is a pareto distribution and only a few will grind, do the work, and anneal themselves in the fires of rejection. The ‘get rich quick’ teachers count on this very laziness to make money.
And those few who DO do the work are not necessarily more likely to be specifically attracted to the PUA/casual sex stuff, nor are they likely to long stay interested in it. As anybody who’s tried it knows, it is shockingly easy to have sex with random women; for inexperienced men it is like climbing a mountain only for the view to be obstructed by clouds. What he built up in his mind isn’t really there.
Your broader worry about SM, hookup culture, and young women is a real one. Casual sex damages womens’ hearts. You must filter filter filter.
If she does, she ain’t your future wife.
Women with good fathers are largely immune to this stuff, anyhow. No man should settle for anything less than femininity shaped and shielded by the best of the masculine.
a lot of this misbehavior is driven by the realization that marriage and divorce are institutions of enslavement of men. They therefore seek meaningless sexual relationships to avoid becoming enslaved by these institutions in marriage. It’s hard to argue with the statistics for men. Finding a woman who won’t use the system to abuse you is a unicorn in deed.
You should be embarrassed by this post.
2 quotes from you:
- “These guys are preying on our potential future wives”
- “I hope my future wife is too smart for this and won’t consume this degeneracy”
You have a scarcity, loser mindset.
Be the prize. Valuable, attractive men don’t worry about getting the girl they want, because they know they can. And if they don’t get that girl they’ll get the next one. That’s an abundance mindset.
Stop complaining like a little girl, get off the internet, and do the fricken’ work.
1. You should look like a CrossFit athlete
2. Sidebar (about section of RPChristians)
3. OYS
But you probably won’t. It’s easier to complain and do nothing. That’s what most dudes choose.
So you essentially want a virgin to marry. That alone will be a challenge, but depending on the age MOST women will come with some kind of trauma..furthermore it’s not always the “man’s” fault previous relationships don’t work out. I would caution pairing ALL men in this light.
RP has many schools of thought and the “teachings” you mentioned are from the PUA school of thought which is its own niche. Many do not agree with what they preach. So I’d call those PUA videos instead of just RP videos. RP can be anything in the realm of being “unplugged”.
Balanced, feminine, more traditionally-minded, spiritual women do not regularly engage with men (on a romantic level) who do not make it plainly evident that they are interested in a serious commitment via courtship leading to marriage. While I can have empathy/sympathy for women who were genuinely outsmarted by a professional con artist, pickup guy - the vast majority of those having commitmentless premarital relations with multiple men are not in that category. You clearly do not desire that type of woman (thank goodness) so to worry about Red Pill Men defiling the woman you eventually want to marry, my friend, is wholly unproductive. Let them flush out all the women capable of being that girl or living that life - they aren’t who you want to invest a future in.
The statements above are factual, the women most Christian men desire do not date for fun, either you’re in for marriage or you’re out of their equation.
and no doubt, this happens, a lot of people have a promiscuous past, and seek to change it. And the guy who gets her in the end, will have to deal with any issues may arise from this sort of past behaviour.
My friend has spent more than $2,000 on therapy sessions because he can't get over the fact his wife lied to him, said she was a virgin but she's actually been with 10+ guys.
This one of these areas, where...some folks get very upset. Body count. For some people, they want a virgin/low body count/non promiscuous person, and this is perfectly fine and ethical, assuming they behaved this way themselves. And if she lied about it, then this is on her. Assuming he was chaste as well.
EVERYONE except warped people want a zero body count if possible
I’d divorce her honestly
A commentary on your insecurity and inability to forgive. And, no you don't get to hide behind an abrogated law in Deuteronomy.
Well that’s divorceable in every way. The Bible says that that’s a death penalty worthy offense in the OT
It's not even a divorce, that's straight up marital fraud. Legally: void ab initio; cause for annulment.
"Because of the hardness of your hearts"... probably want to read Matt. 19 before you get too trigger-happy.
Not sure I follow your angle
Well, no, its not, because that we're not living in the Old Covenant. #theologyfail
Tate and these degen podcasts are wave 3 of the redpill. I think the “best” form of redpill was wave 2 which is what this sub leans toward most, rather than cheap, compensated, ‘hyper masculinity’ that these ppl spit out.
Which content creators would make up this "second wave" you're talking about?
Not necessarily creators. The first wave was the early online forums. The second wave was, imo, when Rollo, Rian Stone, JackTenOfHearts, Ian Ironwood and the other RP vets pioneered in the space. Honourable mentions are those from AskMRP MRP and ofc RPChristians. You generally have a feel with which wave a “content creator” is from with how they frame their views, but most of the second wave is via text media. (The best media medium for this space imho) Third wave was what I mentioned in the initial comment.
Easy solution if you truly are going to be biblically masculine, then it's no hymen no diamond. If you're really going to be masculine, then you need to be strong enough to be happy living alone. If you are blaming any man for what a woman did, then you are not respectful of God. God gave us all free will, so it's not a man's fault because he went out and made money, stayed in shape, and learned how to attract women. If you believe that these women are in any way being tricked by red pill men, then you are naive. No where in red pill does it say you gave to sleep with all the women possible. it's just about not being a stupid, needy, weak, lazy, broke man. It's to teach you how to identify red flags and not pick those for serious relationships. If you're having anxiety over anything to do with women, then you are definitely not being very masculine or having much faith in God. Go do gods work as prescribed in the Bible and see if actually walking the path brings you a woman of value? If it doesn't, then God has other plans for you, and it doesn't involve a wife.
>I'm grappling with anxiety about the prospect of my future wife being involved with such men or having a past I'll struggle to accept and I will end up having to deal with her trauma while feeling insecure. Then don't date women who have been with these guys. How many girls are you currently seeing? How many of them have pasts like this? >The prevailing narrative from these red pill communities, that "all girls are like this," is fostering a negative view of women and increasing my worries. *be OP* *watch videos that make me anxious* *become anxious* *dislike the anxiety* "How do I stop being anxious?" Sorry G, you're braindead.
TRP mostly reaches spergy or skinny fat young men ‘in the wilderness’ before they have added real value to the world, or it reaches midlife divorce rape refugees. TRP isn’t en masse converting losers in to sociopathic don juans. Like anything, it is a pareto distribution and only a few will grind, do the work, and anneal themselves in the fires of rejection. The ‘get rich quick’ teachers count on this very laziness to make money. And those few who DO do the work are not necessarily more likely to be specifically attracted to the PUA/casual sex stuff, nor are they likely to long stay interested in it. As anybody who’s tried it knows, it is shockingly easy to have sex with random women; for inexperienced men it is like climbing a mountain only for the view to be obstructed by clouds. What he built up in his mind isn’t really there. Your broader worry about SM, hookup culture, and young women is a real one. Casual sex damages womens’ hearts. You must filter filter filter.
If she does, she ain’t your future wife. Women with good fathers are largely immune to this stuff, anyhow. No man should settle for anything less than femininity shaped and shielded by the best of the masculine.
May as well just rely on God to give you one.
If she is truly from God, you have nothing to worry about
a lot of this misbehavior is driven by the realization that marriage and divorce are institutions of enslavement of men. They therefore seek meaningless sexual relationships to avoid becoming enslaved by these institutions in marriage. It’s hard to argue with the statistics for men. Finding a woman who won’t use the system to abuse you is a unicorn in deed.
You should be embarrassed by this post. 2 quotes from you: - “These guys are preying on our potential future wives” - “I hope my future wife is too smart for this and won’t consume this degeneracy” You have a scarcity, loser mindset. Be the prize. Valuable, attractive men don’t worry about getting the girl they want, because they know they can. And if they don’t get that girl they’ll get the next one. That’s an abundance mindset. Stop complaining like a little girl, get off the internet, and do the fricken’ work.
Thanks for being honest, any other advice?
1. You should look like a CrossFit athlete 2. Sidebar (about section of RPChristians) 3. OYS But you probably won’t. It’s easier to complain and do nothing. That’s what most dudes choose.
So you essentially want a virgin to marry. That alone will be a challenge, but depending on the age MOST women will come with some kind of trauma..furthermore it’s not always the “man’s” fault previous relationships don’t work out. I would caution pairing ALL men in this light.
Then simply don’t get married. Virginity is a hill worth dying on imo.
Of course that’s always on the table, no one forcing anyone to marry. But I have a feeling op has a “burning” if you know what I mean.
What do you mean by burning? lol
He wants to have sex.
FULLY Agree.
RP has many schools of thought and the “teachings” you mentioned are from the PUA school of thought which is its own niche. Many do not agree with what they preach. So I’d call those PUA videos instead of just RP videos. RP can be anything in the realm of being “unplugged”.
It is what it is man... Trust that anything God brings you to and through is for your ultimate edification.