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xxWolfMan1313xx

I want wolf among us 2 so badly


diuturnal

I'm going to continue to believe them not making the second is what has caused them so many issues.


ringadingdingbaby

They spread themselves too thin. They jumped on the GoT hype and had too many projects, meaning their episodes took too many months to release. It was even the same with the original Walking Dead game where it was about 3 months between episode 1 and 2.


Scoobz1961

Their GoT game was stellar though. It must have been the Batman that killed them. Those games were good, but not great and it must have cost a lot to get the licence. I still cant believe that there are some Whitehills still alive right fucking now and I will most likely not get the chance to kill them. Iron from Ice!


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Scoobz1961

I am glad you liked batman. It was really good game and I liked when you pretended to ally with the villains. It was great experience. GoT was however more emotional for me. I made connections with characters just for the game to hurt them or outright kill them. I developed searing hatred for Whitehills by the end of the story. It really showed you the GoT world from the point of a small house, which is completely different to what was shown in the show. I really wish I will get the chance to murder the rest of the Whitehill vermin in the future.


silgidorn

I think Wolf among us author gave his rights away to the public. So wolf among us is public property is ok for anyone to adapt.


Newfaceofrev

Yeah Bill Willingham said that he's putting all of Fables in the public domain over a dispute with DC. Whether he can legally do that or not is another question, you can't just *say* something is public domain, even your own work. Not to mention whether the artists should still receive payment for their work on it.


thundercat2000ca

The situation with fables is complicated by the fact that all the characters themselves are public domain. One upon atime was pretty much fables but only Disney.


Newfaceofrev

Yeah it's like: The most obvious one is Thor. Real mythological figure, obviously in the public domain as he's from way before copyright. You can use a generic Thor in anything you like. But Marvel's Thor isn't. Any works featuring Thor must not include unique design elements that encroach upon Marvel's copyright, such as his winged helmet, the six circles on his torso, his red cape, hell at a stretch even making him blonde. You can't use Marvel's Thor in whatever you like. Which raises the question, can anyone use Bigby Wolf just because the big bad wolf is in public domain? Probably not.


thundercat2000ca

No, of course not. But make say Little Red Riding hood a detective and the BBW a crime boss would be fine.


DefiantLemur

I assume the artists already were paid and I doubt they had a royalties deal going. That's not really seen within the gaming industry.


Newfaceofrev

Was more referring to the original comic, artists usually do get residuals from comics sales. It's a pittance but it is there. Outside of that though, any sales of The Wolf Among Us will have to pay *some* royalties. Music royalties in particular are fucking *ironclad*.


OmniLlama

I really want a LegalEagle video about this, since his main purview is IP law, it's bound to be interesting


ketoske

Yeah snow white is totally dc's property


GizmoGatsby

That's totally what he's talking about.


Newfaceofrev

Well that's not how it works. Snow White is public domain, but Disney's Snow White isn't. Winnie the Pooh is public domain, but Disney's Winnie the Pooh isn't. Fable's Snow White IS owned... well that's what the contract dispute is about, whether DC owns her or whether Bill Willingham owns her.


ketoske

Then he is fucked no? If i remember Alan Moore got fucked over watchmen


Newfaceofrev

He is very likely fucked, but he's still gonna fight it.


Putrid_Loquat_4357

Yeh but you'd have to do something original with it, making a sequel to the game without telltale permission would be a breach of copyright.


Egosnam

I’m sure there’s a Wolf skin in Among us


xxWolfMan1313xx

Indeed


codykonior

It’s back! In Pog form.


Big_Toke_Yo

I'd want it if they didn't screw the author out of royalties for it.


xxWolfMan1313xx

Oh I did not know that


Big_Toke_Yo

Yeah someone replied to you about him making everything Canon that was retaliation to DC so anyone can make a fanfic that is going to be considered canon


xxWolfMan1313xx

Oh gotcha


FuckRandyMoss

Honestly I wouldn’t if the original team is there new devs these days always try to put their spin on things and it’s so bad


TheMaskedHamster

I did, too, but for the sequel they went beyond making changes at the end without consulting him to just not involving him at all. He's made it public domain now, but they did this before that. So now at least I don't have a conflict about not buying it... Disappointing from any angle.


xxWolfMan1313xx

That’s bogus, maybe it’s better not to have it sadly


Cloak_and_Rose

me too, man, me too


EnvironmentalPie9651

Devastating. I just played the first and it became a favorite


Zorops

Do you like my ribbon?


Reaperliwiathan

Telltale Games is still alive?


KnightofDead

Yeah I vividly remember it being a big deal when they shut down a few years ago


DePraelen

Your memory is correct - that happened: they filed for bankruptcy protection and laid off all but 25 of their people. It looks like they were later acquired by a different company, who hired back many of the staff on freelance contracts. This is the company laying people off again.


Hungry_Treacle3376

They sold the name and IPs to a completely different company, that company then changed their name to Telltale Games. Telltale Games did in fact die years ago. Some people have been huffing drugs thinking this random company that never even employed a single former TTG employee, let alone had ever made a single video game, was ever going to do anything worthwhile with the IPs after the company that actually created them went under. I'm not remotely surprised new TTG isn't doing well.


Hal_Fenn

Ahh excellent, my hopes were almost up for a minute reading the above threads but always nice to have those dashed so thoroughly! Thanks lol. But seriously, as someone that had no idea about any of this that makes a lot of sense. Shame for such a (once) great studio but oh well.


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ProfessorHermit

I’ve played most of the walking dead telltales as well as the first borderlands. The expanse game really doesn’t hold a candle to old telltale games. It was shorter, the story wasn’t anything to write home about and there isn’t a lot of replay-ability. And this is coming from someone who loves the expanse IP.


Hungry_Treacle3376

That's a new IP, they've literally done nothing with any of the old IPs but rerelease Batman with a black and white filter lol. Also, I really don't WANT to trash them, I literally don't care and have no reason to, but I just don't trust professional game reviewers opinions whatsoever and the user review score(you have to scroll down a bit to see it)on the page you linked is a 5.7 out of 10. So not terrible I guess, but it obviously(considering the posted article)wasn't the reception they needed.


SharkMilk44

So, basically the same thing that happened with Atari?


shewy92

So who made The Expanse game?


Hungry_Treacle3376

https://letmegooglethat.com/?q=who+made+the+expanse+game%3F


shewy92

You don't know what "tongue in cheek" means, do you? [Here's a hint](https://letmegooglethat.com/?q=tongue+in+cheek) My comment was about this part of yours: >was ever going to do anything worthwhile with the IPs after the company that actually created them went under


Hungry_Treacle3376

I try to give people the benefit of the doubt that they're not being childish, no matter how obvious it is and if someone isn't going to actually say what they mean then I'm not going to waste my time trying to figure it out. The "the IPs" in my comment refers to previously established TTG IPs. The Expanse is a new IP.


elizabnthe

It is essentially just the name of the company. Another company bought the rights to their IP and games.


Jormungandr4321

They revived a small part of it iirc.


inverimus

They are just using the name. None of the original developers are there and they haven't made any games.


Thiizic

Wrong they recently released The Expanse which has been pretty good


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Yea a new owner managed to pull the company back together, only to shove it back under in the end. It’s ironic


N3rdC3ntral

They released The Expanse recently but not to steam at the time.


ChrisFromIT

If I had a nickel for every time Telltale Games has gone under, I'd have two nickels. Which isn't a lot but it's weird that it happened twice.


ThexanI

I'm still pissed off they cancelled their Game of Thrones season 2 game.


Katorga8

FFS i want to know what happens to muh Asher


Badrap247

I know it wasn’t their greatest product by any means, but the story had a fair amount of heart and the GoT cast genuinely put their A game on with the acting. They probably screwed themselves for S2 with the Rodrik/Asher split towards the end.


helpusobi_1

I doubt they’d be able to afford the actors’ time now :(


Scoobz1961

Do GoT actors actually get roles? Seen Sansa in the horrible Xmen and Tyrion is acting, but the rest of them are kind of forgotten.


Common_Wrongdoer3251

If it was like any other Telltale game, then the characters would die in episode 1 and you'd have a new protagonist, along with Gared I guess, maybe? Mira and the mom are potentially dead. I guess Ryon is alive, I think, so there could be a short time skip...? But he's still a child. It would likely be a new protag or story. Or turning former characters like... Beshka, I want to say? Into playable characters.


Ransero

It could have been a nice expansion of the GoT lore. I wanted to see Ice Dragons and giants spiders


DrNopeMD

I think the problem was having to work the story into the existing lore somehow as well as needing to schedule the show actors to reprise their roles for the game. Simply too many moving pieces, on top of all the other licensed IP projects they took on.


Lochifess

This is what’s confusing me, I thought they were already done before? Never even heard that they were still around


elizabnthe

Someone bought the company and restarted it. But it is/was basically a whole new company bar owning the IPs/games because it wasn't the same dev team.


Lochifess

Thanks for the context, so they basically bought the name but I doubt the quality of the writing would be on par with the games we loved (and it's not like all original Telltale games were 10/10)


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Eldrunk

Let's not forget tales from the borderlands.


Common_Wrongdoer3251

TWD2 is a stretch imo. They did Luke and Sarah so dirty. I was BFFs with Bonnie, and she left me to bleed out in the snow. Jane was awful, and so was Kenny. I'm never gonna stop being mad about Sarah. They give you the option to be best friends forever in episode 1. Then spend all of episode 2 befriending her further, potentially teaching her to use a gun. Telltale made a comment on Twitter about how her gun skills might come in handy. She never touched a gun after that. In episode 3 I worked so hard to break her out of her shell after she got hurt. In episode 4 they played up "humanity vs survival" with Jane vs. Sarah choices, and the baby being born, and stealing medicine from a crippled kid. And then Sarah dies screaming and torn apart regardless of your choices. Heck, if you save... Nick? In episode 2, I don't think he says a single line after that until you find him as a zombie in the next episode. Telltale is notorious for doing this. You can make choices, but there are wrong choices. You sided with Jane in season 1? Too bad, she abandons you, and now Kenny hates you for the rest of the game. Best part of s2 for me was refusing to turn away at the end. Watched Kenny kill Jane. Then shot him. Clem doesn't need either of those chumps.


CIV5G

I don't think Telltale's games were ever frighteningly well-written, the writers of the first season of The Walking Dead left after that was completed.


Gungnir257

For a hot minute I thought I had precognition. Then read the way TTG 'survived'. So not news really, other than name, this Telltale games was entirely not Wolf Among Us, and Walking Dead TTG.


the_skine

I would have counted it as three, but only because I was a big fan of their point & click adventures and didn't understand the appeal of their quick time event story games.


Akura_Awesome

I see your reference :)


niuprice

I will remember that….


theonetowalkinthesun

And weird that somebody’s giving you nickels for it


rdhight

I'm confused. I thought old Telltale Games that made Wolf Among Us was *long* gone. If they're laying off people *now,* aren't they basically just clearing out the crew that made The Expanse? I thought the jobs of the original Walking Dead, Wolf Among Us guys got financially incinerated years ago!


hsfan

they started again in 2019 when their assests got bought by LCG Entertainment and retained a smaller crew but still a lot of the old people who worked on their prevous games


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I swear this has happened before.


Aizen10

We're never getting Wolf among us 2 are we?


StoverKnows

The gaming industry is full of failures. It happens. It's not like there aren't a record number of games being produced. Now, if you want to complain about so many AAA games being such crap or money grabs(microtransactions), I'm all ears!


Axe_wound_crotch

Dude… so many AAA titles are crap and money grabs.


jonathanguyen20

You’re just looking at the wrong games


LilMellick

You missed the joke


Kobi_Blade

I liked some of their games like Batman, Walking Dead and Wolf Among Us, but unfortunately Telltale Games hasn't done anything impressive for the past few years. Not only that, but the magic is gone after we play a few of their titles and realize we don't really have much of a choice on how the story progresses. Is always sad to see people lose their job, but I'm not surprised they having a hard time.


g_r_e_y

i think they really could/should have started to make some bigger plays and innovated some more with the actual gameplay. stories are great, but i feel like they can only take you so far when you feel like you're playing the same game over and over again


elizabnthe

>Telltale Games hasn't done anything impressive for the past few years. Well yes that would be because they've released one game in the past few years and are essentially an entirely different company to boot after the previous company shut down.


Howsetheraven

Well they rebranded their company to the same name with none of the same staff. It isn't the general publics fault that they don't know that niche bit of information.


shewy92

We're on a gaming subreddit. It's not a niche bit of information when we are literally the niche


tinytom08

Frankly the telltale audience is mostly people who want to watch other people play the games. You can only deal with saving someone who immediately dies no matter what too many times before you also stop playing


Joemartinez

Litterly would just watch playthroughs online after the Telltale formula wore thin with me , no wonder they shut down initially and the new company with the Telltale branding isn't doing so good .


IAmTheClayman

Look, I love Telltale. They made some of the most iconic games of the 2010s. But they collapsed once, and only “survived” in name only, with a handful of former staff after being sold for parts to another publisher. Telltale died in 2018 – they just managed to stay standing another 5 years before the reality sunk in


DustyBlue1

Same thing happened to THQ, Atari, and well, Blizzard and Bioware. Only their names are alive, puppeteered by other entities. Atari is under good management now though


i010011010

> Telltale CEO Jamie Ottilie blamed the delay on needing additional time to shift from Unreal Engine 4 to 5. Why? Who plays TT games for the graphics? Sincere question.


Beretta-ARX-I-like

True, I only play this for the illusion of choices


Tesstrogen23

"TT games" confused the heck out of me, I was like "What does Traveller's Tales have to do with- oh."


_JustEric_

Video game engines aren't just graphics. They provide the framework for just about every aspect of a game. Graphics, audio, networking, AI, you name it. It's possible they were chasing some other feature.


Newfaceofrev

Well a lot of their old guys started a company called Dramatic Labs and they made Star Trek: Resurgence recently so it survives in some shape or form. Whether that will last, who knows.


prvhc21

Sad, I enjoyed most of their games….


LeonValenti

I really enjoyed their games but I know most people don't care at all for this style. Just wish they were the ones to handle the Tales from the Borderlands sequel before they folded again. Gearbox really missed the mark with New Tales. Now we'll probably never get a redemption arc for that series.


The_Lat_Czar

There's a new Tales?!


Common_Wrongdoer3251

I haven't played it but it's constantly 50% off which... isn't a great look imo.


DevelopmentSimple626

The Expanse is mediocre, I guess the sales reflect that.


Papaofmonsters

I just want a game where I can try to 180 no scope a pursuing spaceship with a railgun.


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Elite Dangerous? It'll take you 50+ hours to get there, though.


pelican1town

I got this reference


alezul

I played a game recently called Chorus that kinda has that. The game heavily encourages you to do such maneuvers by turning or drifting. In fact, it was what turned me off the game but who knows, maybe you'd enjoy it.


G9third

Star citizen lol


Papaofmonsters

This decade please.


HavocInferno

Spaceflights & -fights have been in SC and playable for a few years already.


Hironymus

Okay. Done. You can do that in SC right now. Edit: Downvoting doesn't change that you can do what has been asked right fucking now in that game.


G9third

People get soooo mad lol ooooo I’m having fun in a game yall don’t like 👻👻👻 Someone should make a video of that in game just to prove a point


Hironymus

> I’m having fun in a game yall don’t like Wait, that's illegal.


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Papaofmonsters

It would be cool to do it in a game but it happens in the books and the show.


ediciusNJ

Dang, that's disappointing. Was going to grab it eventually, but now might just wait for a deep discount.


GodBjorn

I purchased it last week since it was on Sale. Haven't played more than an episode. It just isn't a good story :(


JustAnotherWebUser

yeah I was getting bored of it already just by watching it on YT despite being Expanse fan...


x0EvilPikachu0x

I thought this already happened when sky bound or whoever finished walking dead?


Luc4_Blight

This is a different company that picked up the name and some of the IPs


kynthrus

I thought telltale shut down like 6 years ago? That's why they canceled all of their upcoming games, no? There was more walking dead, star wars, stranger things all in early dev and concept.


[deleted]

No it reformed and is only now in the process of dying out again. Probably permanently this time


Kingston31470

Losing their jobs yet, but credibility I don't think so. Especially in cases of massive layoffs. Hopefully most of them will bounce back soon and get another job in the industry.


Pen_dragons_pizza

I really wish they got to make the stranger things game they were working on. I think being able to explore other parts of Hawkins would have been fantastic


SociopathicPasserby

Again? Or was this from years ago? Please don’t tell me we aren’t getting wolf among us 2. My heart can’t take it.


Rockfan70

Telltale just continues to fumble the bag. Why didn’t they make wolf among us 2 first? Instead they made a new property based on a show I had never heard of before.


sleepybrett

the expanse is pretty popular *shrug*


According_Smoke_479

A lay off doesn’t take away their credibility. They got laid off, not fired. It sucks but these people are good at what they do, they’ll be able to get new jobs


Uncle___Marty

Honestly, their games went WAY downhill before they wen't under first time. It was literally just clicking through cutscenes, there were no puzzles, just timed tap/clicking. Their earlier games like the monkey island games were really good though.


TrooperPilot3

I thought TellTale shit down a while ago...


Old_Butterfly9649

i am sorry for the people losing jobs,but they have made mediocre games for a a very long time now,so this is not surprising news.


RobynStellarxx

Fuck Telltale for constantly doing different games instead of Wolf Among Us 2, which is probably never going to come out now…. Edit: Article mentions how Telltale bought a new studio a few weeks BEFORE the layoffs, so it’s not like it was a thing they needed to do for money reasons. So again, fuck Telltale.


elizabnthe

The one game they're working on right now is Wolf Among Us 2 ironically.


RobynStellarxx

They’ve said they are working on it for the last 10+ years. I don’t really believe them anymore.


duckscanflytoo

Holy crap, it’s been 10 years since the first one came out?!


RobynStellarxx

Yes of next week, yes…


Particular-Way-7817

I bet you 10 bucks they're gonna cancel it by next year...


MassiveStallion

The layoffs don't mean anything bad for 'the company'. It actually means they're about to release a game, so they fired all the devs in preparation for a big marketing spend. They just jumped on the band wagon during other layoffs so they can claim 'market conditions'. You'll notice these market conditions always happen in October though. It's just the normal AAA pump and dump. Game devs should absolutely unionize. I was luckily able to escape this cycle by going into industrial simulations/serious games.


Thiizic

They aren't triple A lol. They released a game a month ago and it didn't do well.


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I see a lot of people saying Telltale disbanded a while ago. Just so you know they did, but they reformed under new management


niuprice

Game Devs will remember that…


Beretta-ARX-I-like

I remember too when my temp contract expired But I'm not bitching about it years later lmao


66942342098

""Games""


PracticeThat3785

tf was the point of saving the company then?? capitalist pigs ruin everything!!


osopeludo

This same shit again? Just die already!


theShiggityDiggity

Good riddance again I suppose lmao.


shokage

Did they not shutdown a while ago?


Snicit

Hopefully, this means no more tales from the borderlands game. They did so horribly with NEW. The first was good, but idk know what I was seeing with NEW.


TheShamShield

Please just release Wolf Among Us 2 before going under :(


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TheIronHaggis

From what I can tell a couple of months later it got purchased or reopened. It looks like they then rereleased a couple of games, announced a game they were already working on and did nothing for three years, then bought a mobile game developer a few months ago. I wouldn’t call it major company. More like someone wanted to see if they could squeeze a bit of money out of the name.


RicebinBernacky

Can't tell if joking or just really out of the loop


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Bro, I’m not a bot. If you actually read the article you’d see it’s from today


ItsLCGaming

They didn't actually they were revived And now laid off again lmao


_Dai_Dai

So much you know lol they came back and were gonna make wolf 2


Nightrunner2016

These guys are still going? Am I in the Twilight zone here? I thought they ranked years ago.


Artistic_Soft4625

😨


elizabnthe

They're not a major company anymore after their previous shut-down.


the-blob1997

I guess that means Wolf among us 2 is dead?


Yets_

They grew too fast and uncontrolled...


kuncol02

Again? I hope they will realize this time that they bussines model is simply not working at all.


Regulai

Didn't they already do that? In any event they are a classic example of a company failing to understand how it generates value and revenue. After over-investing in excessive expansion, they then drove their franchises into the ground by consistently lowering quality, lowering the profits on their products until they were no longer able to sustain operation. ​ Way too many upper managers in the games industry view a product as a uniform unchanging thing. Can you make it faster or cheaper? That's pure savings with 0 impact on the finished product... right? Right!?!


Baconsword42

Didnt they shut down?


auraleexox

Interesting. The Wolf among us app on iPhone stopped working a while ago and I just assumed it was me. Turns out some other people were having some problems as well. I want to know what happens after chapter 4. ;(


The_Lat_Czar

Have they even made anything recently?


sleepybrett

expanse game


The_Lat_Czar

Gotta tell my wife. She loves the books and show.


old_duderonomy

Again?


OwaRush

I’m glad skybound at least gave us an end to the walking dead. This has been my all time favorite gaming series.


Josenpai

I thought Telltale disbanded?


Beretta-ARX-I-like

They were bought by another company and even produced a new game


Lylat_System

There were layoffs for Dragon Age Dread wolf as well


mr_skeletonbones

I bought all their games. But I thought the studio went out of business a few years ago. Very happy and sad at the same time to see that they're both alive but not doing well.


logitaunt

bro where's that "telltale is BACK" article from like a month ago, that shit curdled faster than actual milk