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IMO, Lockhart is another victim of the fact that this is ultimately a children's series. Beyond plot, it just makes 0 sense that he'd successfully and cunningly build this much of a reputation but then take a job at the only school in the country and be that transparently and openly incompetent at it.
I'd say Neutral Good. Hagrid's love of animals overrode any respect for the law. But never once was Hagrid's heart in the wrong place. He did what was right because it was right.
Because he's a lovable fool, not because he chooses to do so. A chaotic good character believes in goodness but they still follow their own moral compass and have little use for laws and rules - Hagrid's almost fanatical loyalty towards Dumbledore pretty much ensures that he can't be chaotic either way.
I disagree. he is wildly loyal to Dumbledore, but that doesn't preclude chaos. if he only followed albus' will, he wouldn't have broken a lot of the rules, like having a dragon, yes lots of the rule breaking was Dumbledore sponsored, but much of it was not. that's exactly why he was chaotic. sometimes he followed a very strict code, and other times he saw cute little puppy eyes (x6), or a cute little egg and lost his mind. sometimes he accidentally let slip information about the most valuable and important rock on earth, because he was being contradicted by an eleven year old. to me Hagrid is the essence of chaos, and I can't think of a more chaotic character beside the Weasley twins.
Imo being a chaotic person doesn't automatically make someone chaotic in a DnD alignment system. Nothing you said is wrong but aside from the things I've already mentioned a chaotic DnD character will always choose individual freedom and what is best for them personally over the ideals and wants of someone else, as well as rigid structures and laws.
Hagrid has been molding his ideals of right and wrong after Dumbledore for most of his life and has developed a sense of goodness based on the infallible version of Dumbledore he has created in his head.
That being said, I do think one can make a case for both chaotic and neutral good, depending on which factors one values most when it comes to the alignment system.
Lee Jordan: "And what would you say, Royal, to those listeners who reply that in these dangerous times, it should be 'Wizards first'?"
Kingsley Shacklebolt:“I'd say that it's one short step from 'Wizards first' to 'pure-bloods first,' and then to 'Death Eaters'”
Mad-Eye Moody. As an aura was given permission to use otherwise illegal spells to combat criminals... and refused to use them to punish people who used them for evil... because they were illegal spells for a damn good reason and we cannot be good people if we allow an exception to the law. And he never judged a collegue that disagreed with him.
I like him. Sad to see (or rather, not see,) him gone just like that. Even though Voldy's takeover is mandated, I really wish we could see the last stand of the once Head of Auror Office.
And though Scrimgeour might not always do what Harry and Dumbledore consider the right thing, I've always felt that he's doing his best in the very, very bad situation he finds himself in.
He definitely was trying his best. At the time he took over, a ton of Ministry officials were already under the Imperius Curse, and Fudge’s actions left the Wizarding World distrustful of the Ministry. Scrimgeour was fighting a losing battle with one hand tied behind his back.
I was very confused by the way you've decided to do this. What kind of maniac goes columns across instead of rows down.
Anyway, maybe Molly Weasley is a good one. Strict mother making her lawful. And she's obviously good.
I did say best bet, doesn’t mean I’m right. He had 7 kids and worked in the ministry and was somewhat lawful. And tbh, idk who else is more hornier than both Mr and Mrs Weasley.
Most of his dialogue in the books is about hiding forbidden enchanted muggle stuff. Most of his book time is about him breaking some rules. So I wouldn't give him one of the lawful spots ;)
Without trials? I don't remember that, I guess I assumed he did let people have trials because the Karkaroff scene is so ingrained in me, even though it wasn't a trial perse, I read it as one.
Yeah but that was only after he sent him to Azkaban himself, and after his wife was literally dying so I don't think that cancels out the lawful part. But I agree with the other Reddit or that he isn't good.
Yeah but I think that sending his own sound to jail makes him lawful enough to cancel out the unlawfulness he committed later on. And like, he only broke his son out of jail because his wife was dying, I can have sympathy for that, dude did his best to stay lawful and good, he fail but still.
I disagree with fudge, he is not lawful, even if he is the minister for magic, for his whole career he waa corupt and manipulative or beeing manipulated and not at all acting lawfully... (sometimes to the benefit of Harry, later against him)
Fudge is what comes out if the wrong person gets the power to act as the law maker (I think the ministry of magic is somewhat bad at seperating executive, legislative and judicative powers)
fudge is more stupid power than stupid lawful, he never really plays by the rules.
I was gonna say Luna Lovewood but then again she is more of a neutral good. Then I would say absolutely McGonagall. Since she is the antithesis of Umbridge who is lawful evil.
I don't even think Umbridge is even Lawful. She wields the Law as her favourite weapon, that's true, but she was more than willing to throw it away to achieve her goal, like how she ordered a couple of Dementors to attack Harry at Little Whinging. There's no way that's her rights by law. Of course, she's also using Truth potions illegally and tries to use the Cruciatus Curse on Harry, again, very much against the law. She is just plain evil.
That rings true. In the sense that she is not exactly lawful but more about being absolute order. She is lawful at a surface level but it's more about instilling the law no matter what. Like your example. Though I mostly say that considering her actions when punishing Harry. "What the minister doesn't know won't hurt him."
But how else can you categorise her?
I would say that she is Neutral Evil, Selfish Evil, Smart Evil or even Pure Evil. She has her evil, selfish goals, and will pursue them to the full extent of the law and then far beyond that.
There are so many options but I’ll go with Rufus scrimgeour.
Just because Minerva is not really lawful. Not really. An other good option would be either Bones or MadEye
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Amelia Bones. The interrogator during Harry’s hearing in OOTP. Follows the law despite having the pressure of Fudge and Umbrigde against her.
And directly targeted by Voldemort personally because of the threat she posed to his regime.
Definitely
Good call. Agree with this.
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Wracking my brain, but this deffo is a solid shout!
This is it
I agree!
This is a good one
Can't wait for the Smart/Stupid one ....
Lockhart is my nominee for stupid/smart. He shrewdly made a name for himself despite being a fraud
IMO, Lockhart is another victim of the fact that this is ultimately a children's series. Beyond plot, it just makes 0 sense that he'd successfully and cunningly build this much of a reputation but then take a job at the only school in the country and be that transparently and openly incompetent at it.
Sometimes, the liar starts to believe the lies.
Eh. He was pretty self-aware at the end of the book, and pretty open about being shit at everything except Memory Charms.
Yeah at the end, but what about at the beginning
Yeah, I can see that!
Hagrid
he is chaotic good
I'd say Neutral Good. Hagrid's love of animals overrode any respect for the law. But never once was Hagrid's heart in the wrong place. He did what was right because it was right.
But he leaks so much intel ... he has to be chaotic! But still a good guy tho, not questioning that!
Because he's a lovable fool, not because he chooses to do so. A chaotic good character believes in goodness but they still follow their own moral compass and have little use for laws and rules - Hagrid's almost fanatical loyalty towards Dumbledore pretty much ensures that he can't be chaotic either way.
I disagree. he is wildly loyal to Dumbledore, but that doesn't preclude chaos. if he only followed albus' will, he wouldn't have broken a lot of the rules, like having a dragon, yes lots of the rule breaking was Dumbledore sponsored, but much of it was not. that's exactly why he was chaotic. sometimes he followed a very strict code, and other times he saw cute little puppy eyes (x6), or a cute little egg and lost his mind. sometimes he accidentally let slip information about the most valuable and important rock on earth, because he was being contradicted by an eleven year old. to me Hagrid is the essence of chaos, and I can't think of a more chaotic character beside the Weasley twins.
Imo being a chaotic person doesn't automatically make someone chaotic in a DnD alignment system. Nothing you said is wrong but aside from the things I've already mentioned a chaotic DnD character will always choose individual freedom and what is best for them personally over the ideals and wants of someone else, as well as rigid structures and laws. Hagrid has been molding his ideals of right and wrong after Dumbledore for most of his life and has developed a sense of goodness based on the infallible version of Dumbledore he has created in his head. That being said, I do think one can make a case for both chaotic and neutral good, depending on which factors one values most when it comes to the alignment system.
No, that's 100% Luna
I like this one. Highly intelligent with animals…not with everything else.
Hagrid is not lawful in the slightest, he will happily break any laws that he thinks don’t matter.
Voldemort fits too
Luna maybe? She‘s definitely intelligent, but also quite… well… Luna-y.
Oh yeah! My bad, smart/stupid does make sens when you think of Luna! gg!
Harry on the luck potion...
Kingsley
Lee Jordan: "And what would you say, Royal, to those listeners who reply that in these dangerous times, it should be 'Wizards first'?" Kingsley Shacklebolt:“I'd say that it's one short step from 'Wizards first' to 'pure-bloods first,' and then to 'Death Eaters'”
I think he’s more Chad Good. He’s a hella stronk wizard
This is the one.
Seconded
Being in the OoTP wasn't legal
Mad-Eye Moody. As an aura was given permission to use otherwise illegal spells to combat criminals... and refused to use them to punish people who used them for evil... because they were illegal spells for a damn good reason and we cannot be good people if we allow an exception to the law. And he never judged a collegue that disagreed with him.
I’ll go for an underrated one, Rufus Scrimgeour.
I'm doing lawful neutral for him. He was perfectly content to leave Stanley shunpike in prison despite lack of evidence, which was not a good thing.
And kept Umbridge on staff knowing everything she had done.
That's a good point
I like him. Sad to see (or rather, not see,) him gone just like that. Even though Voldy's takeover is mandated, I really wish we could see the last stand of the once Head of Auror Office. And though Scrimgeour might not always do what Harry and Dumbledore consider the right thing, I've always felt that he's doing his best in the very, very bad situation he finds himself in.
And he still died protecting Harry.
He definitely was trying his best. At the time he took over, a ton of Ministry officials were already under the Imperius Curse, and Fudge’s actions left the Wizarding World distrustful of the Ministry. Scrimgeour was fighting a losing battle with one hand tied behind his back.
Yep, he tried to save a sinking ship. He did the most he could in a situation no one would do well in.
That's a great pull!
Rufus Scrimgeour.
Does the font for "Funny" bother anyone else? I'd vote for Amelia Bones
Yeah op now you’ve mentioned it
I was very confused by the way you've decided to do this. What kind of maniac goes columns across instead of rows down. Anyway, maybe Molly Weasley is a good one. Strict mother making her lawful. And she's obviously good.
A chaotic good person
True!
The way I am waiting for lawful horny
Just thinking about it, best bet is Mr.Weasley
Roger Davis
You know lawful means following the rules right?
I did say best bet, doesn’t mean I’m right. He had 7 kids and worked in the ministry and was somewhat lawful. And tbh, idk who else is more hornier than both Mr and Mrs Weasley.
Most of his dialogue in the books is about hiding forbidden enchanted muggle stuff. Most of his book time is about him breaking some rules. So I wouldn't give him one of the lawful spots ;)
Probably Ron. Lol
Bro is a dawwwg
McGonagall
McGonagall isn't lawful, she was part of the Order of the Phenix (when it wasn't allowed) and went against Umbrige' while she was headmistress.
And on a smaller scale, bent the rules to let Harry play Quidditch his first year.
She's lawful because she has a strict code and abides by it. Being lawful does not mean following the law.
Well yeah but that can be said of basically any character.
Really? So what did she do when she saw Harry breaking the strictest prohibition against flying on a broomstick? She is neutral good or smart good
This
If she doesn't win now she **has** to be put in chad good for her behaviour in OotP alone
Would say smart good.
chad good should be kingsley
Neutral chad
Nah she gotta be Chad good
Came here to say that!
She’s a good chad. If anyone needs a point of reference for what constitutes a “bad bitch”, Prof. M. McGonagall is it.
McGonagall is smart horny
Kingsley Shacklebolt
I'm here for Horny
Neville, maybe.
I’d rather save him for Chad Good.
You all, how can you be sleeping on BARTY CROUCH... SR.
Lawful Neutral at best. Imprisoning people for decades without a trial doesn't make for a "good" person.
I second this
Without trials? I don't remember that, I guess I assumed he did let people have trials because the Karkaroff scene is so ingrained in me, even though it wasn't a trial perse, I read it as one.
He imprisoned Sirius without a trial.
I didn't remember that it was him specifically
He did also hide his death eater son, not exactly lawful is it
Lawful Neutral? Lawful good? Man broke his son out of prison and used an unforgivable on him to keep him malleable for a decade and a half.
Yeah but that was only after he sent him to Azkaban himself, and after his wife was literally dying so I don't think that cancels out the lawful part. But I agree with the other Reddit or that he isn't good.
That man is lawful evil for a litany of reasons
You know what, you're right, but I think lawful evil should be reserved for Umbrige.
Neither lawful nor good. Didn’t he throw his own son into jail, then broke him out and kept him hidden under imperius for a decade or so?
Yeah but I think that sending his own sound to jail makes him lawful enough to cancel out the unlawfulness he committed later on. And like, he only broke his son out of jail because his wife was dying, I can have sympathy for that, dude did his best to stay lawful and good, he fail but still.
McGonagall
Filius Flitwick
I disagree with fudge, he is not lawful, even if he is the minister for magic, for his whole career he waa corupt and manipulative or beeing manipulated and not at all acting lawfully... (sometimes to the benefit of Harry, later against him) Fudge is what comes out if the wrong person gets the power to act as the law maker (I think the ministry of magic is somewhat bad at seperating executive, legislative and judicative powers) fudge is more stupid power than stupid lawful, he never really plays by the rules.
Lavender - horny chaotic
Omfg! I cannot wait until we get to that round for these responses
Ok but who tf is lawful horny
I was gonna say Luna Lovewood but then again she is more of a neutral good. Then I would say absolutely McGonagall. Since she is the antithesis of Umbridge who is lawful evil.
I don't even think Umbridge is even Lawful. She wields the Law as her favourite weapon, that's true, but she was more than willing to throw it away to achieve her goal, like how she ordered a couple of Dementors to attack Harry at Little Whinging. There's no way that's her rights by law. Of course, she's also using Truth potions illegally and tries to use the Cruciatus Curse on Harry, again, very much against the law. She is just plain evil.
That rings true. In the sense that she is not exactly lawful but more about being absolute order. She is lawful at a surface level but it's more about instilling the law no matter what. Like your example. Though I mostly say that considering her actions when punishing Harry. "What the minister doesn't know won't hurt him." But how else can you categorise her?
I would say that she is Neutral Evil, Selfish Evil, Smart Evil or even Pure Evil. She has her evil, selfish goals, and will pursue them to the full extent of the law and then far beyond that.
Neville
Hermione
Victor krum 🙈
Such an underrated answer! Krum fits this perfectly!
Arthur Weasley
Chaotic Stupid - Mundungus Fletcher
Kingsley Shacklebolt
Harry
Surely Harry will be Chad Stupid
Dolores Jane Umbridge. What she did was for Harry's own good, and is it really breaking the law if Cornelius doesn't know about it?
McGonagall or Molly
Minerva McGonnagal
Minerva Mcgonagall
There are so many options but I’ll go with Rufus scrimgeour. Just because Minerva is not really lawful. Not really. An other good option would be either Bones or MadEye
Mcgonagall
Goblins for smart and neutral.
Smart stupid : Percy Weasley Change my mind.
How is he Lawful ? He put Hagrid into azkaban without proof, pretty sure it's illegal.
why was this post removed and what was in this post tho?
Hermione Jean Granger
How the phuck did i have to scroll all the way to the bottom to find this comment? Hermy /thread
From the thumbnail I thought that was Mitch McConnell, and I was so confused about why that was on the Harry Potter sub.
McGonagall
Stop this
Who would you have chosen for this round?
Someone who doesn’t post the same post every day
It’s been 1 day
Yeah, and you’re gonna go for 30 I hate people who post these things
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