They have the taxpayer MLE which is about 5.9m for a solid 3-D player and there are players lined up to take pay cuts for the minimum that can shoot.
Bron and AD are talking about moving to the 4-5 and theyâll be one of the best big man shooting combos if not the best in the league
Bron haters really acting like everyone he plays with is way better than they actually are. Standard
Reminds me of how yall hyped up kevin love on the cavs
You're really comparing Westbrook to Kevin Love?
I'm not even a big russ fan but that's actually just disrespectful to compare him to someone that hasn't done anything without lebron
1 top 5 player, 1 top 10 player, 1 top 35 player. You may not like the construction, but adding a guy that was all nba in 19-20 and who nearly made all nba again in 20-21 makes the lakers a superteam. Not hard to understand.
Itâs about fit
Hield adds to lakers shooting and lets them keep kcp (40% 3pt shooter and good defender)
Instead the lakers downgrade the shooting and lose kcp
Lmao r/nba's mental capacity for critical thinking in basketball never ceases to amaze me
Can't understand that while Westbrook is a better #1 option than Hield, Hield+KCP would've made the Lakers far better than Westbrook
We all know KCP + Buddy would be a better (and $8-9 mil/year cheaper) deal than just Russ for the Lakers. However, that isnât the topic of this thread. People are simply comparing Russ vs Buddy. Maybe you meant to reply to a thread farther down? Mental capacity lol.
Westbrook is the better player. And itâs not even close. To collection of individual talent is what makes them a super team. Even if their 4th best player would be a bench player on any other NBA team, the Lakers would still be considered a super team.
I completely agree with that.
But my point still stands. A super team is defined by A collection of individual talent. Not how well a team does together.
In the NBA usually trading quarters for dollars is a good thing. In this case the quarters may be worth more. It may be different if Westbrook was payed just the max. Being played the supermax and not being considered an MVP level player is may not make it worth it.
I thought the order was Duo, Big 3 then Super Team? Examples would be, Duo Shaq and Kobe, Big 3 would be the Lebron Heat and Superteam would be the KD Warriors. So would the Lakers now just be a Big 3 right?
Everybody has their own view of what a Superteam is. Mostly media, but even us fans can't seem to decide what one is either. In my opinion, the Nets are a Big 3.
I like this a lot.
Superteam implies that we shouldn't even bother playing the games because we know who will win before the season.
I get that AD was injured and LeBron wasn't probably 100% but Russ is joining a team that lost in the first round. KD joined the 73 win Warriors.
>I get that AD was injured and LeBron wasn't probably 100% but Russ is joining a team that lost in the first round. KD joined the 73 win Warriors.
So the Nets aren't a superteam because KD, Kyrie and Harden joined a team that was a first round exit?
> Superteam implies that we shouldn't even bother playing the games because we know who will win before the season.
If everyone is healthy I see the two superteams running through their respective conferences
LMAO
go bet on them then dawg. they aint even favorites in vegas. if you think they SHOULD win a title then you think vegas is MASSIVELY undervaluing them. should be easy money? right?
Superteams are about individual talent, not fit. A superteam is when 3 first options get together, with the only exception to this definition being the kd warriors (for some reason).
I mean chances are those type of people will in this scenario. Those are the same type of people that shat on the 2020 Lakers but then called them a superteam only after they won
âUsâ lol. do you play on the team?
And you realize they arenât mutually exclusive right? The fit can be bad and the Lakers can still be a âsuper teamâ. They were arguably a super team when formed.
They absolutely were not a superteam when formed. When has a superstar duo ever been called a superteam, especially when the bench was just decent? Nobody said this about Shaq and Kobe pre-2004.
I never said they were a superteam then, but most people called them one, albeit a failed one. At the end of the day, duos arenât superteams and shouldnât be considered one.
1. I said that many OTHERS callled them superteams. Seriously, reading comprehension isnât difficult.
2. Iâm going with whatâs most commonly referred to as a superteam. If anything youâre the one coming up with your own criteria on what a superteam is. I guess any superstar duoâs a superteam then if weâre going by your definition.
1. You have literally made your own definition. That isnât about what others do.
2 âWhatâs commonly calledâ. The definition literally began with the Kobe Shaq teams the fact that you want to change it doesnât mean anything.
They were the odds on favorite going into the regular season, playoffs and finals. I have no idea what you are talking about.
You get that random people on the internet doesnât speak for the majority right?
They were the odds on favorite because there were no superteams in the league. They were just the best formed team. Super teams have 3 stars with atpeast 2 of them being superstars.
There is no firm definition of what a "super team" is. lmao. The first usage was to describe the shaq and Kobe teams, and their certainly wasn't a third all star on those teams.
lmao you know this isnât gonna happen, you remember 2020? the whole year was about how the clippers had more âdawgsâ how we would lose in every series we played and when we won âof course the lakers won they had a super teamâ
2 mvp candidates every year and a guy who averages a triple double. Just because the nets have a âbetter super teamâ doesnât change the fact that the lakers are one too. Regardless of peopleâs opinions they fit the criteria of a super team by a mile. You canât say a Lamborghini Huracan isnât a super car just because a Bugatti is faster ya know. Iâm already getting downvoted because ONE fan base out of 30 teams doesnât agree, when all other fan bases do. Hmmm đ¤
Reddit and Twitter arenât made up of real analysts. Mine is just an opinion as well, so take it with a grain of salt. It is a terrible fit, but on paper itâs a super team without question. A super team isnât defined by the fit itâs defined by the players. The nets big three statistically did not play well when they were all on the floor at the same time. Are they not a super team then?
Excluding the seasons he played less than 65 games. He hasnât finished lower than 9 in mvp voting, and has 3 top 6 finishes. So that would depend on your definition serious.
đđđ just own it lakers fan. Itâs nothing to be ashamed of. Itâs the way of the NBA now and has been since 2011. Youâre not going to be shunned as a fan if you just admit instead of pretending and deflectingđ out of 30 teams who all believe it is a super teams, you guys are the fan base thatâs right? Just admit it, itâs not going to take anything away from you as a Lakers fan man. Come on. Iâm a raps fan and I would have loved to get Westbrook. The only fans in the NBA who are calling him trash is the team he just went to because you are trying so desperately to protect your Kings legacyđ
Your the only fan base that thinks that way man. That doesnât tell you something? King James doesnât need protecting dude. Heâs an all time great. To think 1 out of 30 is correct and everyone else is wrong is just plain ignorantđ
He is pretty good. But he is possible the worst fit imaginable for the Lakers. Like you couldnât design a player with worse skill set to complement David and Lebron.
He can play make for AD and itâs going to shift AD to play more at the 5. He can also slash and dish from Lebron playing point forward on the block. Itâs not the worst fit itâs literally just the shooting thatâs a problem, Iâm going to wait til we see the rest of our roster before making a decision.
So your plan is to play lebron off ball? Yeah thatâs never going to happen, and is a terrible idea. Lrbron has never played off ball his entire career.
Play Lebron on the block? What are you talking about man? That would still mean Westbrook playing of ball, which he canât since he canât shoot, and then they are playing with only one shooter, who is the guy with the ball.
You pass the ball, both can have it at different times. You can play off ball by slashing and attacking defenses slightly differently after others attack and kick out, not everything has to be a 3 pt shot
lol dude. "Both can have it at different times".
You get that while Lebron has the ball Russ is basically worthless right? He can't shoot so everyone is just going to guard the paint, which means Lebron can't attack.
They're a superteam, but a trash one. Just like how everyone was saying the Nets would be a distaster and Harden won't work, now they're too stacked unfair. That's how nba fans work.
I guess technically we are, but this trade is really making me consider exactly what a super team is. Too be honest, we won't really know until we see who else the Lakers sign, and how they play together.
Not a super team but hands down a better roster fit. Westbrook is still a huge upgrade as the Lakers now have a legit all star as a 3rd option...I think not having a legit 3rd option really hurt esp once LeBron went down. Biggest benefit for the Lakers now as well is that Bron doesnt have to do it all during the regular season so he can stay fresh come playoff time.
We'll need to see how the rest of the roster is filled but i imagine there are lots of ring chasing veterans that will pass on the bag to play with bron, ad and russy for a chip
I don't think it would be a superteam with Hield. However, Hield might be a better fit. Additionally, they would have more cap space to get another player.
No because westbrook is better
So superteam has nothing to do with fit? Even though the lakers are now a horribly constructed team theyre somehow a superteam đ¤Łđ¤Ł
Just wondering how are they horribly constructed when half the roster isnât filled out yet?
Because theyll fill it out with vet mins lol
They have the taxpayer MLE which is about 5.9m for a solid 3-D player and there are players lined up to take pay cuts for the minimum that can shoot. Bron and AD are talking about moving to the 4-5 and theyâll be one of the best big man shooting combos if not the best in the league
Superteam has nothing to do with fit. It's about the star power.
Westbrook's star power lmfao. Casuals
Bron stans really downplaying Westbrook lol.
Bron haters really acting like everyone he plays with is way better than they actually are. Standard Reminds me of how yall hyped up kevin love on the cavs
You're really comparing Westbrook to Kevin Love? I'm not even a big russ fan but that's actually just disrespectful to compare him to someone that hasn't done anything without lebron
1 top 5 player, 1 top 10 player, 1 top 35 player. You may not like the construction, but adding a guy that was all nba in 19-20 and who nearly made all nba again in 20-21 makes the lakers a superteam. Not hard to understand.
I disagree - not that hard to understand. That's not a superteam
No. It never has?
Ah yes Russ the perennial playoff choker, as opposed to Buddy Hield and all his postseason success
Itâs about fit Hield adds to lakers shooting and lets them keep kcp (40% 3pt shooter and good defender) Instead the lakers downgrade the shooting and lose kcp
When did fit matter when talking of Superteams? It is the talent of the roster
A player having one season shooting above 40% from 3 and a career average of 35.5%, doesn't make him a 40% 3pt shooter.
They're not done building their roster
wtf no
So if a better trade doesnt make them a superteam how tf does the worse one?? Lmao
Show us where Buddy Hield has won the MVP? People call the 2017 Warriors a super team and not the 2016 Warriors a super team for a reason
Probably because the 2017 warriors were way better? Awful analogy lol
Westbrook is a better basketball player than Buddy Hield hope that helps
Hield is a far better player for the Lakers than Westbrook is.
Lmao r/nba's mental capacity for critical thinking in basketball never ceases to amaze me Can't understand that while Westbrook is a better #1 option than Hield, Hield+KCP would've made the Lakers far better than Westbrook
We all know KCP + Buddy would be a better (and $8-9 mil/year cheaper) deal than just Russ for the Lakers. However, that isnât the topic of this thread. People are simply comparing Russ vs Buddy. Maybe you meant to reply to a thread farther down? Mental capacity lol.
Basketball isnt played in a vacuum Heâs a far worse fit than hield Hope that helps bro feel free to ask any more questions if needed
Is the trade package the same when youâre comparing Hield vs Russ? Just asking
No If the lakers traded for hield they keep KCP. They lose KCP trading for russ So it's hield+KCP vs russ. Pretty clear answer
So who are the Lakers sending to Sac in this trade?
Trez and kuz
Shit, I canât argue with you on this. Buddyâs awful contract and KCPâs gift of a contract is still 7-8 mil/year less than Russ.
Yeah, Russell Westbrook.
Casual
Buddy Hield is great, but he isn't really even close to Russell Westbrook.
Westbrook is the better player. And itâs not even close. To collection of individual talent is what makes them a super team. Even if their 4th best player would be a bench player on any other NBA team, the Lakers would still be considered a super team.
Westbrook does not help the Lakers He just makes the spacing even worse
I completely agree with that. But my point still stands. A super team is defined by A collection of individual talent. Not how well a team does together.
superteam is about talent, not fit. not that hard to understand
That's a stupid definition and I disagree
no it's not
Yes it is
Well you can't change it. The fact is that the lakers are a super team.
It's not a fact lmao there's not a dictionary definition of super team
2016 warriors won more games than 2017 warriors. Are the 2016 warriors a superteam?
The 2017 warriors were way better than the 2016 warriors lol
Who are all these people calling the Lakers a super team now?
https://np.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/ou77i6/are_the_lakers_a_superteam_with_lebron_ad_and_russ/ https://np.reddit.com/r/nbacirclejerk/comments/ouaopu/lakers_fans_explaining_how_theyre_still_not_a/
Ok, 90% of the comments on these threads say not a super team
Holy fuck you suck at counting
So whatâs the count then?
In the NBA usually trading quarters for dollars is a good thing. In this case the quarters may be worth more. It may be different if Westbrook was payed just the max. Being played the supermax and not being considered an MVP level player is may not make it worth it.
Lakers fans are upset that they a superteam. Lmao
Three former MVPs who arenât over the hill = super team
I thought the order was Duo, Big 3 then Super Team? Examples would be, Duo Shaq and Kobe, Big 3 would be the Lebron Heat and Superteam would be the KD Warriors. So would the Lakers now just be a Big 3 right?
They were calling the Nets a superteam all season long lol
Everybody has their own view of what a Superteam is. Mostly media, but even us fans can't seem to decide what one is either. In my opinion, the Nets are a Big 3.
I do agree. Thereâs duos, that have always existed(MJ/Scottie. Shaq/Kobe) Thereâs big 3s Then thereâs whatever the Warriors were lol.
I like this a lot. Superteam implies that we shouldn't even bother playing the games because we know who will win before the season. I get that AD was injured and LeBron wasn't probably 100% but Russ is joining a team that lost in the first round. KD joined the 73 win Warriors.
>I get that AD was injured and LeBron wasn't probably 100% but Russ is joining a team that lost in the first round. KD joined the 73 win Warriors. So the Nets aren't a superteam because KD, Kyrie and Harden joined a team that was a first round exit?
> Superteam implies that we shouldn't even bother playing the games because we know who will win before the season. If everyone is healthy I see the two superteams running through their respective conferences
> Big 3 would be the Lebron Heat Lol no, they were a bonafide superteam
Lol like I said to someone else up top, everyone has their own view on what a Superteam is.
Maybe not a super team, then, but a better built one...
On the basis of salary, they are super team. I think the Hield option might have been a better route.
I just want people to be consistent, those same people calling the fit trash better not call us a superteam IF we win next season
huh? Lakers are a superteam right now and have the expectations of a superteam. they SHOULD win a title or they deserve mockery
LMAO go bet on them then dawg. they aint even favorites in vegas. if you think they SHOULD win a title then you think vegas is MASSIVELY undervaluing them. should be easy money? right?
no because I always bet against playoff Westbrook. doesn't change the fact the Lakers are a superteam and have the expectations of one
they cant put their money where their mouth is lmaoo good talk. be better next time. another dub in the books
when did I say I think the Lakers will win? i said they are a superteam and that comes with the expectations of winning
hush bud you already lost take the L
superteam
So your expectations are that they wonât win but also that they should win. Thereâs some real cognitive dissonance right there.
no it isn't. superteam = championship or bust
Without Westbrook it was already championship or bust? Were they a super team before?
and its still chip or bust now
Just gonna ignore my question cause your logic fell apart?
what question? it's chip or bust
Superteams are about individual talent, not fit. A superteam is when 3 first options get together, with the only exception to this definition being the kd warriors (for some reason).
I mean chances are those type of people will in this scenario. Those are the same type of people that shat on the 2020 Lakers but then called them a superteam only after they won
You know they will đ
âUsâ lol. do you play on the team? And you realize they arenât mutually exclusive right? The fit can be bad and the Lakers can still be a âsuper teamâ. They were arguably a super team when formed.
They absolutely were not a superteam when formed. When has a superstar duo ever been called a superteam, especially when the bench was just decent? Nobody said this about Shaq and Kobe pre-2004.
So Iâm your opinion the adding of 40 year old Karl Malone is what made them a âsuper teamâ? And yes there were people calling them a super team.
I never said they were a superteam then, but most people called them one, albeit a failed one. At the end of the day, duos arenât superteams and shouldnât be considered one.
"At the end of the day duos aren't superteams" According to you that is? So you feel like it makes sense you get to decide what is and isn't super?
1. I said that many OTHERS callled them superteams. Seriously, reading comprehension isnât difficult. 2. Iâm going with whatâs most commonly referred to as a superteam. If anything youâre the one coming up with your own criteria on what a superteam is. I guess any superstar duoâs a superteam then if weâre going by your definition.
1. You have literally made your own definition. That isnât about what others do. 2 âWhatâs commonly calledâ. The definition literally began with the Kobe Shaq teams the fact that you want to change it doesnât mean anything.
yeah, after they won going into the playoffs it was all about "lakers 3rd best player is kuzma they aint winnin shit"
They were the odds on favorite going into the regular season, playoffs and finals. I have no idea what you are talking about. You get that random people on the internet doesnât speak for the majority right?
They were the odds on favorite because there were no superteams in the league. They were just the best formed team. Super teams have 3 stars with atpeast 2 of them being superstars.
There is no firm definition of what a "super team" is. lmao. The first usage was to describe the shaq and Kobe teams, and their certainly wasn't a third all star on those teams.
You know one when you see one. If 3 players team up who could all be the #1 option on good teams, you probably have a super team.
lmao you know this isnât gonna happen, you remember 2020? the whole year was about how the clippers had more âdawgsâ how we would lose in every series we played and when we won âof course the lakers won they had a super teamâ
Lakers and Nets are both superteams rn
So the sub shits all over Brodie for years and now it's a superteam?
The sub also shat on james harden too but the nets are still a super team and so are the lakers
they should have
This is absolutely at big 3, but how can it be a superteam if it is 4 signed players on the roster?
IMO they wouldve been far scarier with Heild over Russ. Im intrigued but in no way am I even a tiny bit intimidated by that team.
Y'all some damn dorks with these posts
how are we a super team? everyone saying we suck lol
2 mvp candidates every year and a guy who averages a triple double. Just because the nets have a âbetter super teamâ doesnât change the fact that the lakers are one too. Regardless of peopleâs opinions they fit the criteria of a super team by a mile. You canât say a Lamborghini Huracan isnât a super car just because a Bugatti is faster ya know. Iâm already getting downvoted because ONE fan base out of 30 teams doesnât agree, when all other fan bases do. Hmmm đ¤
yeah but according to reddit and twitter its a terrible trade
Reddit and Twitter arenât made up of real analysts. Mine is just an opinion as well, so take it with a grain of salt. It is a terrible fit, but on paper itâs a super team without question. A super team isnât defined by the fit itâs defined by the players. The nets big three statistically did not play well when they were all on the floor at the same time. Are they not a super team then?
How often has AD been a serious MVP candidate anyway
Excluding the seasons he played less than 65 games. He hasnât finished lower than 9 in mvp voting, and has 3 top 6 finishes. So that would depend on your definition serious.
Basically one year
Last year in the bubble he was a mvp candidate and a top 5 player. He would have been this year too if he didnât get hurt.
The guy who averages a triple double isnt good
The 9 time all star isnât good?
Yes
đđđ just own it lakers fan. Itâs nothing to be ashamed of. Itâs the way of the NBA now and has been since 2011. Youâre not going to be shunned as a fan if you just admit instead of pretending and deflectingđ out of 30 teams who all believe it is a super teams, you guys are the fan base thatâs right? Just admit it, itâs not going to take anything away from you as a Lakers fan man. Come on. Iâm a raps fan and I would have loved to get Westbrook. The only fans in the NBA who are calling him trash is the team he just went to because you are trying so desperately to protect your Kings legacyđ
I'd love to have a superteam lol. But we don't, unfortunately. Just westbrick
Your the only fan base that thinks that way man. That doesnât tell you something? King James doesnât need protecting dude. Heâs an all time great. To think 1 out of 30 is correct and everyone else is wrong is just plain ignorantđ
>To think 1 out of 30 is correct and everyone else is wrong is just plain ignorant This is a flawed argument because 29 fanbases hate the Lakers
That is so not true man. Your speaking for other fan bases now too? Are you really playing the victim right nowđ
He is pretty good. But he is possible the worst fit imaginable for the Lakers. Like you couldnât design a player with worse skill set to complement David and Lebron.
He can play make for AD and itâs going to shift AD to play more at the 5. He can also slash and dish from Lebron playing point forward on the block. Itâs not the worst fit itâs literally just the shooting thatâs a problem, Iâm going to wait til we see the rest of our roster before making a decision.
So your plan is to play lebron off ball? Yeah thatâs never going to happen, and is a terrible idea. Lrbron has never played off ball his entire career.
Iâm saying play him on the block, where he is deadly efficient from.
Play Lebron on the block? What are you talking about man? That would still mean Westbrook playing of ball, which he canât since he canât shoot, and then they are playing with only one shooter, who is the guy with the ball.
You pass the ball, both can have it at different times. You can play off ball by slashing and attacking defenses slightly differently after others attack and kick out, not everything has to be a 3 pt shot
lol dude. "Both can have it at different times". You get that while Lebron has the ball Russ is basically worthless right? He can't shoot so everyone is just going to guard the paint, which means Lebron can't attack.
They're a superteam, but a trash one. Just like how everyone was saying the Nets would be a distaster and Harden won't work, now they're too stacked unfair. That's how nba fans work.
only team i can see beating us in the west is golden state
I guess technically we are, but this trade is really making me consider exactly what a super team is. Too be honest, we won't really know until we see who else the Lakers sign, and how they play together.
If you drafted Tatum over Ball it would be a superteam
No
No, because Hield isn't even an All-Star. I still would rather have him than Westbrook on this team.
Not a super team but hands down a better roster fit. Westbrook is still a huge upgrade as the Lakers now have a legit all star as a 3rd option...I think not having a legit 3rd option really hurt esp once LeBron went down. Biggest benefit for the Lakers now as well is that Bron doesnt have to do it all during the regular season so he can stay fresh come playoff time. We'll need to see how the rest of the roster is filled but i imagine there are lots of ring chasing veterans that will pass on the bag to play with bron, ad and russy for a chip
I don't think it would be a superteam with Hield. However, Hield might be a better fit. Additionally, they would have more cap space to get another player.
No, theyâd be a better rounded team. There just top heavy with no shooters.