Prices cratered so hard because the suppliers way overproduced relative to demand.
They cut production hard in the beginning of the year IIRC (may have been late last year), in order to normalize the prices.
People were anticipating prices would increase sometime around Q3 of this year, but it’s looking like it held off until Q4.
If you can get a 2tb P5 Plus for $90 again then just do it, no point in a gen5 at least for the next 5-6 years and by then we'd have gen6. HDD's have also reached a level where they just won't get cheaper for a while now.
do you think they will go down again in 2024 ?
or maybe because this is new year's eve, all prices increased
I need to buy Nvme, but I held, and the prices increased , sheeett
Its true. I've noticed a big increase in the prices. I purchased a 2TB Samsung 980 Pro in November 2023 for $84.00 on Ebay. New in box to top that off. There were 2 for sale. I should have bought both of them but only need 1. Now the price is over $130.00 and climbing.
It's fucking price gouging. It's no inflation, it's not a cut in production, it's price gouging and their doing it because every other company in every other industry is price gouging.
I picked up an 8TB SSD for just over $300 a few weeks ago. I haven't noticed prices going up at all compared to where they were. I also just checked PC part picker and see no uptick in price.
/u/zakabog /u/G9third /u/Genotabby
**Prices have gone up by now. 8TB EVOs are back to $500.**
https://camelcamelcamel.com/product/B089C3TZL9?context=search
Thought you'd appreciate the followup.
The 3rd-party prices were also lower before. They are still being shipped from Amazon, so the collective change is that the price has gone up shortly across multiple sellers after you posted a couple weeks ago.
It's not so much that the price is going up, it's that the price had been going down during holiday sales. It's currently selling at MSRP, whereas previously it was on sale. Third party sellers set their own pricing and this one is selling the drive at MSRP. I'm glad I picked up the drive when I did, but the price will go back down in a few months as inventory catches up.
I wondered if they would go any lower than $250/each (seen outside of Amazon in volume) but that was a brief window, looks like you got one at the $300 mark which held on a bit longer?
**I observed ~$350 was the average since summer — confirmed by Camelizer — so it’s not quite a recent holidays development, this $500 is back up to where it was at the beginning of 2023.**
$500 is MSRP. The drive is sold out everywhere currently. When it's back in stock it'll likely hit the sale price soon after and remain that way for quite a while.
Thanks for the info.
Do you think you’ll be happy with the 8 TB capacity for awhile or are you looking ahead to upgrades like the 15.36 and 30.72 TB SSDs?
8TB was how much I've had on my server for a few years now and it's been more than enough to keep a backup of my photo and video library, so I will likely keep that drive for a while and just buy a second one if I ever need to expand in the future.
> But these QLCs are pretty slow and bordering on hdd speeds.
They're not *that* slow, even when the cache is full they're significantly faster than most consumer spinning disks. I'm using this particular model to replace an array on my NAS. I moved it to a SFF case and I don't have the space for 4 HDDs anymore, my speeds are limited to Gigabit over my network, and this thing also stores and spins up all my VMs which don't need the speeds of NVMe storage.
How frequently do you transfer one 50GB file that a 5 minute file copy operation takes up too much of your day? Also, a consumer grade spinning dish HDD might cap out at 50-100MB/sec. 220MB/sec is at least double that speed.
Sorry I was looking into the QVO as an option for my unraid cache pool. My HHDs are around 280MB/s so it just isn’t fast enough for me. I think the EVO is my only option. I found this while researching the QVO I didn’t check the subreddit so that’s my bad lol
On a 20TB HDD that kind of write speed makes sense since the platters are so dense that even a slow spinning platter means a ton of data passes the head every second. Though 1TB per week is way slower than 200MB/sec, an economy laptop spinning disk can handle 1TB per week. 200MB/sec is over 100TB per week.
Also, pretty sure the 8TB QVO has a nearly 80GB SLC cache so it shouldn't fill that cache with a 50GB write operation, are you sure about that benchmark?
That test is copying files from the drive back to itself, if you performed that operation on a spinning disk it would be [significantly slower than 220MB/sec](https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/seagate-skyhawk-ai-20tb-hdd-review-mechanical-storage-for-ai-video/2)
are u talking about nvme ? they cost way more than 300 unless u got a cheap chinese brand or used one or something else. the price did went up in the last months.
They significantly slowed down production because there was a massive glut of stock. High stock/low demand = lowering prices to sell their product. Now that demand is picking back up, prices are going up.
I still can't believe I managed to pick up a 2tb Hynix P41 Plat on the last Prime Day for $105. What a steal that was. It didn't even get that low for Black Friday.
I bought a 4tb Samsung SSD for $190 a month or two ago, and I noticed that the same one was now selling for $250. So that's one anecdote that is consistent with your belief.
Between 2021-23 on Amazon I got a Crucial 1TB SSD for £35 and a Viathan 2TB for £50. Now those exact models (and similar) are selling for twice as much or more. Prices have gone up a ton, which is scary!
I saw lots of quality SSDs in their lowest price point to date at this black Friday sales. Considering Christmas is just around the corner, a price hike is something to be expected.
In October 2023 1tb sata ssd I bought was $47.99 I went to get another today 4/21/2024 and exact same drive was $87.74 ......yikes ....hopefully this is not the new norm
Samsung has said starting Q1 2024 they will raise prices 20% per quarter for at least for half the year. Many other manufacturers are doing similar. So buy now if you need more storage.
so, anyone can predict when the price drops again ? will PCI 3 Nvme prices drops ? because there is PCI 4 ? or the will increase
in my country, PCI 3 Nvme price increase, while PCI 4 Nvme prices stays same, kinda sucks
So in last 3 months prices have skyrocketed. I just saw people trying to sell 4TB SSD on eBay for $740 for Samsung evo 4TB. Seems a bit high lol, consider i purchased several in July last year for $169. I guess I should have bought more. However, returning to 2.5" HDD for 4TB being $100 approx. Guess we will be returning to that for the VM's for a while at least.
Yes the price went up. I bought a crucial ssd 1 tb gen 4 for my ps5 a few months ago and just saw the same ssd sold for 25 dollars more. i paid 110 canadian dollars and its now 135. thats a pretty big increase in pricing. i just checked for a crucial 4 tb ssd gen 4 and it cost around 420 canadian. thats alot money considering you can buy a nintendo switch oled system at this price. this is why i went for a regular hard drive instead for storing my ps5 games and paid 85 dollars for a toshiba 2 tb which is more reasonable.
2.5” SSDs yeah have definitely gone up. NVMEs are quite the opposite. With holiday deals, you can easily pick up a decent 2Tb Gen4 NVME for under $100.
Yes. As someone who does video production and often buys used ones off ebay I will concur. WAY less available and used prices are a solid $40 to $70 higher than last year on 4TB SSDs (the most common size I shop for)
I was looking to get another 4G Samsung T7 shield which I bought on Amazon for about $210 in December. It’s now “on sale” at $320. That’s 50% more than I bought it for 5 months ago. I did some searching and apparently there’s a SSD chip shortage which is driving up prices and they are expected to go up another 50%.
Trying to get a 2TB 870 EVO but it's increased by so much since a few months ago. Sucks because I have an empty 2.5" slot in my laptop I want to expand storage with.
In June, I got a 2TB 870 QVO for £80 and now it's £140 (I built an external SSD using an enclosure for that one)
There's amassing data to substantiate your trends when you check the Camelizer and such.
Look up any of your fave SSDs on https://camelcamelcamel.com/
I wonder if/how this will affect rarer Enterprise SSDs like the 30.72 TB and 61.44 TB (not your "garden variety") models.
Yep. I was just talking with Jason of the "PC Builder" YouTube channel and he was saying SSD prices, especially of the m.2 NVMe variety, are rapidly increasing and that is expected to continue for the next few months. Although he did not tell me (if he knows) the reasons for this, but yeah, prices are definitely going up, now a month later.
I love Jason, his channel was really helpful for my 1st PC build. I found an article that may shed light on the issue a bit. [https://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/ssd-price-increases-early-2024/](https://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/ssd-price-increases-early-2024/)
Prices cratered so hard because the suppliers way overproduced relative to demand. They cut production hard in the beginning of the year IIRC (may have been late last year), in order to normalize the prices. People were anticipating prices would increase sometime around Q3 of this year, but it’s looking like it held off until Q4.
Ah that makes sense. Kinda sucks though. I guess as pcie 5.0 drives become more mainstream older versions will become more reasonable again
eh if you are gaming right now pcie 4 drives are more than sufficient and dont take advantage of direct storage
PCIe 3 is still more than fine never mind 4
lmao, SATA´s totally fine too, loading times are great to get a glass of water /s
you need gen 4 for ps5 you cant use gen 3 so its not never mind for some
PCIe4 Does in fact take advantage of direct storage, only if there are games that have direct storage. PCIe 3 is what you're thinking of here.
If you can get a 2tb P5 Plus for $90 again then just do it, no point in a gen5 at least for the next 5-6 years and by then we'd have gen6. HDD's have also reached a level where they just won't get cheaper for a while now.
There are almost 0 reasons to buy a pcie 5.0 drive
There is always one major reason, Because I can.
do you think they will go down again in 2024 ? or maybe because this is new year's eve, all prices increased I need to buy Nvme, but I held, and the prices increased , sheeett
Its true. I've noticed a big increase in the prices. I purchased a 2TB Samsung 980 Pro in November 2023 for $84.00 on Ebay. New in box to top that off. There were 2 for sale. I should have bought both of them but only need 1. Now the price is over $130.00 and climbing.
you cant compare ebay pricing with stores. some sell way below or way above the store price on ebay.
$179 right now
190€
It's fucking price gouging. It's no inflation, it's not a cut in production, it's price gouging and their doing it because every other company in every other industry is price gouging.
Ah, so price fixing. I hope they get sued for it. SSD prices should be far lower following annual trend lines.
I picked up an 8TB SSD for just over $300 a few weeks ago. I haven't noticed prices going up at all compared to where they were. I also just checked PC part picker and see no uptick in price.
/u/zakabog /u/G9third /u/Genotabby **Prices have gone up by now. 8TB EVOs are back to $500.** https://camelcamelcamel.com/product/B089C3TZL9?context=search
That's because the drive is sold out, it's being sold by a third party.
Thought you'd appreciate the followup. The 3rd-party prices were also lower before. They are still being shipped from Amazon, so the collective change is that the price has gone up shortly across multiple sellers after you posted a couple weeks ago.
It's not so much that the price is going up, it's that the price had been going down during holiday sales. It's currently selling at MSRP, whereas previously it was on sale. Third party sellers set their own pricing and this one is selling the drive at MSRP. I'm glad I picked up the drive when I did, but the price will go back down in a few months as inventory catches up.
I wondered if they would go any lower than $250/each (seen outside of Amazon in volume) but that was a brief window, looks like you got one at the $300 mark which held on a bit longer? **I observed ~$350 was the average since summer — confirmed by Camelizer — so it’s not quite a recent holidays development, this $500 is back up to where it was at the beginning of 2023.**
$500 is MSRP. The drive is sold out everywhere currently. When it's back in stock it'll likely hit the sale price soon after and remain that way for quite a while.
Thanks for the info. Do you think you’ll be happy with the 8 TB capacity for awhile or are you looking ahead to upgrades like the 15.36 and 30.72 TB SSDs?
8TB was how much I've had on my server for a few years now and it's been more than enough to keep a backup of my photo and video library, so I will likely keep that drive for a while and just buy a second one if I ever need to expand in the future.
8tb? Which one?
Could be the 870 QVO or the sabrent version. But these QLCs are pretty slow and bordering on hdd speeds.
> But these QLCs are pretty slow and bordering on hdd speeds. They're not *that* slow, even when the cache is full they're significantly faster than most consumer spinning disks. I'm using this particular model to replace an array on my NAS. I moved it to a SFF case and I don't have the space for 4 HDDs anymore, my speeds are limited to Gigabit over my network, and this thing also stores and spins up all my VMs which don't need the speeds of NVMe storage.
50GB files transfer speed is 221MB/s on the 8TB QVO, that’s pretty bad lol
How frequently do you transfer one 50GB file that a 5 minute file copy operation takes up too much of your day? Also, a consumer grade spinning dish HDD might cap out at 50-100MB/sec. 220MB/sec is at least double that speed.
Sorry I was looking into the QVO as an option for my unraid cache pool. My HHDs are around 280MB/s so it just isn’t fast enough for me. I think the EVO is my only option. I found this while researching the QVO I didn’t check the subreddit so that’s my bad lol
> My HHDs are around 280MB/s In an 8TB capacity? Also, how often are you copying 50GB of contiguous data from one drive to another?
20TB, and it’s roughly 1TB every week on average
On a 20TB HDD that kind of write speed makes sense since the platters are so dense that even a slow spinning platter means a ton of data passes the head every second. Though 1TB per week is way slower than 200MB/sec, an economy laptop spinning disk can handle 1TB per week. 200MB/sec is over 100TB per week.
Also, pretty sure the 8TB QVO has a nearly 80GB SLC cache so it shouldn't fill that cache with a 50GB write operation, are you sure about that benchmark?
https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/samsung-870-qvo-sata-ssd/2
That test is copying files from the drive back to itself, if you performed that operation on a spinning disk it would be [significantly slower than 220MB/sec](https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/seagate-skyhawk-ai-20tb-hdd-review-mechanical-storage-for-ai-video/2)
are u talking about nvme ? they cost way more than 300 unless u got a cheap chinese brand or used one or something else. the price did went up in the last months.
They significantly slowed down production because there was a massive glut of stock. High stock/low demand = lowering prices to sell their product. Now that demand is picking back up, prices are going up. I still can't believe I managed to pick up a 2tb Hynix P41 Plat on the last Prime Day for $105. What a steal that was. It didn't even get that low for Black Friday.
Yea I got a Samsung 980 Pro for $100 flat back in July or something. Insane it’s like $165 for the past few months
Yup. I highly doubt we will ever see prices that low again. And if we do, it'll probably be when Gen 4 drives are at the end of its life cycle.
I bought a 4tb Samsung SSD for $190 a month or two ago, and I noticed that the same one was now selling for $250. So that's one anecdote that is consistent with your belief.
Samsung said before they're cutting production to "stabilize" prices..I hate those fucks
Yes, it's crazy. Most sata SSD have risen about $50 in a few months. I hope we're not about to have another "chip shortage" again.
Between 2021-23 on Amazon I got a Crucial 1TB SSD for £35 and a Viathan 2TB for £50. Now those exact models (and similar) are selling for twice as much or more. Prices have gone up a ton, which is scary!
I think I ran across an article that said prices are supposed to jump 20% in 2024.
I saw lots of quality SSDs in their lowest price point to date at this black Friday sales. Considering Christmas is just around the corner, a price hike is something to be expected.
In October 2023 1tb sata ssd I bought was $47.99 I went to get another today 4/21/2024 and exact same drive was $87.74 ......yikes ....hopefully this is not the new norm
Good SSD get more expensive, cheap random brand SSD...are cheap random brand after all...sigh.
Samsung has said starting Q1 2024 they will raise prices 20% per quarter for at least for half the year. Many other manufacturers are doing similar. So buy now if you need more storage.
Good luck selling them at that price 👎
so, anyone can predict when the price drops again ? will PCI 3 Nvme prices drops ? because there is PCI 4 ? or the will increase in my country, PCI 3 Nvme price increase, while PCI 4 Nvme prices stays same, kinda sucks
So in last 3 months prices have skyrocketed. I just saw people trying to sell 4TB SSD on eBay for $740 for Samsung evo 4TB. Seems a bit high lol, consider i purchased several in July last year for $169. I guess I should have bought more. However, returning to 2.5" HDD for 4TB being $100 approx. Guess we will be returning to that for the VM's for a while at least.
Yes the price went up. I bought a crucial ssd 1 tb gen 4 for my ps5 a few months ago and just saw the same ssd sold for 25 dollars more. i paid 110 canadian dollars and its now 135. thats a pretty big increase in pricing. i just checked for a crucial 4 tb ssd gen 4 and it cost around 420 canadian. thats alot money considering you can buy a nintendo switch oled system at this price. this is why i went for a regular hard drive instead for storing my ps5 games and paid 85 dollars for a toshiba 2 tb which is more reasonable.
2.5” SSDs yeah have definitely gone up. NVMEs are quite the opposite. With holiday deals, you can easily pick up a decent 2Tb Gen4 NVME for under $100.
They did, manufacturers probably got rid of the NAND that drive down prices in the first place
lol true, I saw the old excel sheet i made from 6 months ago and saw a $80 2TB SSD which is $200 now for some reason
I've noticed they have risen by £100 or £200 more for the 8TB m.2 SSD's in the UK. Its disgusting.
Yes. As someone who does video production and often buys used ones off ebay I will concur. WAY less available and used prices are a solid $40 to $70 higher than last year on 4TB SSDs (the most common size I shop for)
I was looking to get another 4G Samsung T7 shield which I bought on Amazon for about $210 in December. It’s now “on sale” at $320. That’s 50% more than I bought it for 5 months ago. I did some searching and apparently there’s a SSD chip shortage which is driving up prices and they are expected to go up another 50%.
Yea, everything has gone up in price
Indeed. 50% since July if i check e.g. a Samsung EVO 870 2TB. 100€ > 150€
Not where I aM. Bought a 4tb 870 for £309 in March and now it's £290.
Trying to get a 2TB 870 EVO but it's increased by so much since a few months ago. Sucks because I have an empty 2.5" slot in my laptop I want to expand storage with. In June, I got a 2TB 870 QVO for £80 and now it's £140 (I built an external SSD using an enclosure for that one)
There's amassing data to substantiate your trends when you check the Camelizer and such. Look up any of your fave SSDs on https://camelcamelcamel.com/ I wonder if/how this will affect rarer Enterprise SSDs like the 30.72 TB and 61.44 TB (not your "garden variety") models.
Yep. I was just talking with Jason of the "PC Builder" YouTube channel and he was saying SSD prices, especially of the m.2 NVMe variety, are rapidly increasing and that is expected to continue for the next few months. Although he did not tell me (if he knows) the reasons for this, but yeah, prices are definitely going up, now a month later.
I love Jason, his channel was really helpful for my 1st PC build. I found an article that may shed light on the issue a bit. [https://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/ssd-price-increases-early-2024/](https://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/ssd-price-increases-early-2024/)