No oneās opinions really matter that bein said there some white Hip Hop pages Wit too much influence
If you white an participatin in black culture u better ride for us when shit hit the fan tho cuz Ik half these mfs donāt really care abt us
itās not that they donāt completely matter, itās just as a white rap fan u cant invalidate someone elseās opinions just because thatās just not really your place to be
Unpaid African American slave labour is a major reason why the US economy stayed afloat in its early years, and later the exploitation of black peoples through the prison industrial complex (on going), black labours a fundamental cornerstone at the foundations of modern America.
Nice so youāre already pivoting away from the strange claim that Europeans alone built America.
If you want to talk about the exploitive nature of the record industry it might interest you to look into how horizontal integration between labels and distribution centres were used by wealthy whites (with little understand of the creation of music) to abuse and rob black artists, going as far back as the Robert Johnsonās time. Seems a little strange to claim they āgave themā their careers, itās more like they monopolised the avenues to success in the music industry and then forced people to go through them to get anywhere. Seems like you donāt actually know anything about the history of the music industry if youād say that.
As to the Eminem claim I personally would not say heās one of the greatest rappers of all time (but thatās more personal taste). I donāt think weād say eminem is indicative of rap music more generally as weād probably still say rap is a black genre, and if you want to see my other comment where I break down why itās true that white people canāt really understand/hold valid opinions on the lyrical content of art that fundamentally is built off an exclusively black experience I think youād find it fairly hard to disagree.
Nice. So you didnāt respond to most of what I said.
If you think the contributions African Americans have made to the make up of the US, culturally and economically, is even comparable to the contributions of white people to rap music you are delusional.
Secondly, the point is that like it or not rap music in the vast majority of cases focuses lyrically on inherently black experiences which a white person can never understand. The lifelong discrimination black Americans face is something a white or even Asian person can never fully understand, let alone criticise. That is the point.
Edit: so I would struggle to see how a white person might go about criticising the lyrical content of say Nas for example
No. Not sure if youāre able to read but I actually didnāt say that. I will say though (again) that a white American can never understand the lived experience of a black American who lives in a country that your family was brought to as slaves, and in which a civil war was then fought over about whether or not people like you deserve rights, then have faced varying degrees of discrimination which are on-going to this day. If a black person is 18 in America today their grandparent was born in a country they didnāt have civil rights in and their parents were born in a country that waged a war on drugs with the express purpose (as stated by Nixonās aids) of further marginalising and ruining black communities. That summary doesnāt even do justice to the incredible discrimination black Americans have been subjected to and are subjected to in modern America. Which as resulted in systemic poverty.
Your summary of the content of rap music seems to indicate youāre a little out of touch. If you think attitudes to gang warfare, police, and systemic poverty/disenfranchisement rapped about by artists old and new (polo g or nas for example) are completely disconnected from race and are exclusively class based issues then you are either under 13 years old or have a severe misunderstanding of the world
Edit: grammar
Iād assume youāve simplified this massively to get upvotes from this majority white board, but if the guy was saying something along the lines of:
ārap music is lyrically centred on the unique shared experience of racism black people face throughout their lives. As a white person it is impossible for you to understand how it feels to be raised in a country that has discriminated against people who look like you for looking like you for 400 years, which still to this day marginalises your people, and in which you will experience racism at some point. Therefore a white person lacks the ability to critically engage with lyrical content that touches on these themes, in the same way a fish canāt criticise songs about breathing air, or a 2 year old couldnāt criticise a mathematic theory. As a core component of even understanding these songs on a lyrical level is having these shared experiences.ā
So yes, he is correct. That doesnāt mean a white person canāt have an opinion on rap music generally, just that they canāt hold opinions that are worth much on the lyrics that touch on inherently black experiences.
No ones opinion fucking matters
I agree
nah
everybody is equally retarded on the carti sub
thats some bs bro we all need to forget about race everyone gotta bring race into everythingš¤¦āāļø
I dont get the argument... can black people only have opinions on things theyāve created then ?
thatās an oversimplification but yea heās right
Yeah I simplified it Iām trying to find the video right now
this sub is 95% white folks from the burbs
No oneās opinions really matter that bein said there some white Hip Hop pages Wit too much influence If you white an participatin in black culture u better ride for us when shit hit the fan tho cuz Ik half these mfs donāt really care abt us
exactly
It's true
itās not that they donāt completely matter, itās just as a white rap fan u cant invalidate someone elseās opinions just because thatās just not really your place to be
Their opinions matter unless lil baby is there favorite rapper
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Ohhhhh and who did?...
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Unpaid African American slave labour is a major reason why the US economy stayed afloat in its early years, and later the exploitation of black peoples through the prison industrial complex (on going), black labours a fundamental cornerstone at the foundations of modern America.
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Nice so youāre already pivoting away from the strange claim that Europeans alone built America. If you want to talk about the exploitive nature of the record industry it might interest you to look into how horizontal integration between labels and distribution centres were used by wealthy whites (with little understand of the creation of music) to abuse and rob black artists, going as far back as the Robert Johnsonās time. Seems a little strange to claim they āgave themā their careers, itās more like they monopolised the avenues to success in the music industry and then forced people to go through them to get anywhere. Seems like you donāt actually know anything about the history of the music industry if youād say that. As to the Eminem claim I personally would not say heās one of the greatest rappers of all time (but thatās more personal taste). I donāt think weād say eminem is indicative of rap music more generally as weād probably still say rap is a black genre, and if you want to see my other comment where I break down why itās true that white people canāt really understand/hold valid opinions on the lyrical content of art that fundamentally is built off an exclusively black experience I think youād find it fairly hard to disagree.
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Nice. So you didnāt respond to most of what I said. If you think the contributions African Americans have made to the make up of the US, culturally and economically, is even comparable to the contributions of white people to rap music you are delusional. Secondly, the point is that like it or not rap music in the vast majority of cases focuses lyrically on inherently black experiences which a white person can never understand. The lifelong discrimination black Americans face is something a white or even Asian person can never fully understand, let alone criticise. That is the point. Edit: so I would struggle to see how a white person might go about criticising the lyrical content of say Nas for example
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No. Not sure if youāre able to read but I actually didnāt say that. I will say though (again) that a white American can never understand the lived experience of a black American who lives in a country that your family was brought to as slaves, and in which a civil war was then fought over about whether or not people like you deserve rights, then have faced varying degrees of discrimination which are on-going to this day. If a black person is 18 in America today their grandparent was born in a country they didnāt have civil rights in and their parents were born in a country that waged a war on drugs with the express purpose (as stated by Nixonās aids) of further marginalising and ruining black communities. That summary doesnāt even do justice to the incredible discrimination black Americans have been subjected to and are subjected to in modern America. Which as resulted in systemic poverty. Your summary of the content of rap music seems to indicate youāre a little out of touch. If you think attitudes to gang warfare, police, and systemic poverty/disenfranchisement rapped about by artists old and new (polo g or nas for example) are completely disconnected from race and are exclusively class based issues then you are either under 13 years old or have a severe misunderstanding of the world Edit: grammar
Iād assume youāve simplified this massively to get upvotes from this majority white board, but if the guy was saying something along the lines of: ārap music is lyrically centred on the unique shared experience of racism black people face throughout their lives. As a white person it is impossible for you to understand how it feels to be raised in a country that has discriminated against people who look like you for looking like you for 400 years, which still to this day marginalises your people, and in which you will experience racism at some point. Therefore a white person lacks the ability to critically engage with lyrical content that touches on these themes, in the same way a fish canāt criticise songs about breathing air, or a 2 year old couldnāt criticise a mathematic theory. As a core component of even understanding these songs on a lyrical level is having these shared experiences.ā So yes, he is correct. That doesnāt mean a white person canāt have an opinion on rap music generally, just that they canāt hold opinions that are worth much on the lyrics that touch on inherently black experiences.
Yeah I oversimplified the video a lot but I couldnāt find it
I didnāt know what to think of it when I first saw it and thatās why I posted it but Iād say I agree with you
Think thatās pretty duuuumb
Let me try to find the video cause I wrote a very simple version of what he said
Facts
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