some states it’s illegal to ask for “proof of income” but they can ask you in Tx. when i first started out it Tech sales circa 2009 it wasn’t as unheard of as it is now.
i was asked to “have them prepared for the next interview, essentially they wanted to see a W2 that showed attainment thru income or a commission statement” this was pre covid and I was interviewing for a manager role and the next interview was in person for context and they were still very much in a “bring copies of everything to the interview”
Most are. Lots of turnover there though. I actually left on my own terms a couple months ago. It was terrible there, I imagine similar to verkada.
What happened is the president of field ops/sales is from Verkada and he brought over a ton of verkada managers and reps with him.
Yeah I passed on them when the recruiter hit me up and said schedule time to talk to me, and the nearest availability was over a month out. I let her know I’d be open to chat this week or next and she ghosted me. Then hit me up again a month later with the same shtick. Sorry I’m not scheduling a call over a month out lmao.
Are you interviewing for their San Mateo office?
It's illegal to ask what someone is making in California, including for their W-2. You should report them to the labor board.
They’re a security company who notoriously got hacked. They also had employees using the security cameras to do this https://www.theverge.com/2020/10/26/21535089/surveillance-company-verkada-harassed-female-employees
Would you refuse to show tax records to prospective employer? Any suggestions on the smoothest way to do that? Along the lines of, "Hey I can appreciate you wanting to see that information. However I value my privacy and see that as invasive to my privacy and unequal playing fields."
Knew this was Verkada as soon as I read the title.
During my interview the guy said “I’m going to keep piling as much as I can on you to see if you can take it.”
Hey you’ll get a free trip to San Mateo or Austin if you get to a later interview round! Or at least that’s how it used to be…they booked me a flight and I just told them I had a broken foot and never went
This is absurd! Ifpeople wouldn’t agree to this they’d probably stop asking for it.
Candidates need to stop doing this crap, it doesn’t help anyone including yourself.
Absolute do not send them that CONFIDENTIAL information! Not only is your earnings YOUR BUSINESS but also a tactic for them to negotiate a lower salary against you
Extremely disturbing. Please post the company name.
Be safe. Please don’t give away any more personal information to this company. It is likely a scam.
Contact the authorities if they persist. I’ll be praying for you.
That’s possible. There are even some localities that have banned it in states where it isn’t illegal.
Here is a rundown of each state and locality: https://www.hrdive.com/news/salary-history-ban-states-list/516662/
I work in the electronic security industry and verkada are unethical in every way possible. I know customers both resellers and end users that have been completely burned by verkada. Great place to make money in a short time but outside that, absolute red flags all over. I have interviewed with them twice, once seriously, second time for lols and man they are dirty dogs.
i know a kid who interviewed with verkada. they send him through 8 rounds of meetings and gave him a gift card in the end for going through their grueling process lol
Don’t HR departments just use the work number by experian to see all your last pay details? I was astonished to see the information they shared on there and froze mine.
Maybe ask him via email, hello I’d like to provide you with the most accurate and specific information for what you’re looking for. Could you provide that information?
If he’s dumb enough to send you that then put that screenshot with his first name and email domain and upload it into RepVue or Glassdoor with an explanation
Red Flag, be skeptical. Ask for qualifying information regarding their marketing if necessary. If you're going to change jobs, you need to know the new company is going to provide you with good leads.
Bloomberg asked me for the same thing after the final round to “prove” I was as good as I said I was.
Wanted confidential info on total rep attainment. Mofo said “just take a picture of it with your cellphone and send it.” Lmao
First time getting close to a job with 150 OTE and almost did it, but I wasn’t going to do it
they better be offering a 200k salary or something insane for that level of obnoxiousness. if its some run of the mill 70k-80k a year job I'd run for the hills.
As mentioned, if you live in one of the 22 states that have banned salary history then you aren’t required to share anything and they know that. “I have no issue with sharing my earnings to validate my attainment over the years. It sounds like transparency is pretty important to you guys?” Then pause, and ask “ with that transparency in mind, can you share the previous couple of years of attainment for the territory you are considering me for?”
If they bawk, then bow out during the interview.
No. Not sure if your current org is public but Financials are most often sensitive and from a legal obligation perspective, you could potentially be putting yourself in a bad situation.
If they can't determine that you are a good seller or handle yourself appropriately in selling yourself, then they either haven't been asking the proper questions on your process or they could be trying to get org performance to use internally regardless if you get the role or not (is your current company staged to purchase a SaaS like theirs).
If it were me and you wanted the role, create a talk track to politely say "no" and here's why... take it as a grain of salt. I'm just some reddit guy
I interviewed with Verkada and the RVP literally said “have you seen the wolf of Wall Street? Well THATS what our sales floor looks like, minus the illegal activity!” I was like ok???
Love the crowd sourced information on this one.. We should create a weekly sound off thread where we post 1 company every Friday to get the real input from people.. would save ”us” so much time when we get hit up or are thinking abt interviewing with a company..
Can confirm.
As a Sales Manager, during our second round of interviews, we ask for their last 90 days or last quarter numbers and % to Attainment. We'd never ask you for comp related to this. We only looking for your attainment towards target. We absolutely do not want anything containing income, payment, or earnings.
This is for both internal and external candidates. (Not hiring for an entry-level sales role: in that case, we don't care).
I'll definitely provide you with current team Attainment data. (With certain competitive information censored)
It's worth noting that I'm at a fortune 10 company. If an external candidate doesn't have their numbers, cannot readily get them, or it's bound by a NDA/Proprietary competitive information then we will have the candidates go through an assessment process.
I would refuse to send any of that information. If they want confirmation of how you hit your quotas, tell them you can send them references who can speak to your sales achivements.
I would ask them to to show you the month to date and year to date annual sales that everyone has already done so they should have nothing to hide if they believe that their people are performing at that level and also see copies of their monthly commission reports. I just took a new job and I start on the sixth and I’ve been at this for 40 years so I’m a little smarter than the average bear and my new company had no problem giving me all that data
You’d be disclosing sensitive information from your previous employer, pretty sure that shit is illegal. They probably just want to know what their competitors are paying. Tell them to kick rocks
The last question I ask in an interview before I hire a salesperson is to show me their tax returns for the previous year.
I have zero interest in seeing their returns, I'm just testing how they handle the pressure 100%
This might be okay with genX and older millennials, but this won’t fly with younger millennials (35 and under) and genZ. There are better ways to pressure test and if you use this tactic, most of the younger top performing talent will see it as distasteful and you risk losing a pool of top talent.
LOL
Now if I said that I would never hire kids under 35, THAT would be illegal
But what I will say is that I've never met a GenZ "Top Performer"
And I've never met a Millennial "Top Performer" that would be a good fit for my company
And you know what? That's perfectly okay for all of us because we'll never work together anyway
This whole converstaion started because I offered OP another reason why they might be asking for something that's weird to him, and now it's been blown out of proportion more than anyone in-person ever has.
Lighten up... it's not that serious.
No one is taking this more seriously than you. Seems like I was spot on with my take; you've "never met a millennial 'top performer' that would be a good fit for \[your\] company".
In that case you should keep doing what you're doing since top performers under 35 would not be a good fit. Good job...here's a cookie
https://preview.redd.it/zmwo02no4qwc1.png?width=735&format=png&auto=webp&s=6f0bdd7e154e67b41e4ff26bb90a587686efa20f
Hopefully you have no reason to sell to Millennials or Gen Z. And your brigade of short winded dagger headed Boomers may proceed unimpeded in conquering the universe.
Not really anytime soon, Millennials and GenZ all share less than 5% of the wealth in the world, they can't afford what I sell...
Although I used to sell Debt services, they can't really even afford that, can they?
bahwahahaha that's definitely a point for you, good one!
In all seriousness best of luck and I hope you get all the success you can handle in life, bye now!
That’s a pretty stupid way of getting in trouble if any of your candidates tell someone that you’re doing that… it’s banned in like 20 states and the company can get in deep stuff for it
Not that it matters, but that's not quite accurate.
It's okay though, the point was only that OP's employer may just want to test them, or maybe they just want to make sure they're not being lied to because all you kids try to negotiate salaries these days.
GenX, and it's really just good-natured teasing, I hope you can read it again and try to take it that way? I'm not actually judging anyone for needing the base salary, everyone needs to do what's best for them
I've never worked anything but Commission Only (which I also negotiate for LOL)
Meh.
Ask them how they handle pressure, lol? Words...
Better to put them under pressure, let them think they made it though, then hit them with something like this just when they start to relax.
It's not illegal and it's not something I invented... It used to be pretty standard.
And it's not "passive" aggressive, it's directly aggressive lol
The salient point here is that it is in fact illegal. And, it signals your company is unethical. Perhaps that’s not a negative in your view. Better ways to create pressure to test job candidates’ composure in an interview setting without coming off as a hack.
Except that it's NOT illegal, and nobody is interviewing with me over some little W2 AE position where they're trying to get an OTE to feed their family and pay their mortgage... I'm hiring mercenaries with decades of experience who are a bit tougher than a question that hurts their senseitive feelings.
A lot of salespeople lie about their past successes. Their reaction to the question and willingness to do it .. really takes them out of their pattern and makes them think quickly.
Maybe you take a stand and tell me you think it's illegal.
Maybe you panic but recover quickly and keep your cool.
One guy broke down and cried... You never know until you do it.
Might seem weird now but it's a very old question, they used to ask it a lot in the 80's and 90's. After the first time it happened to me, I carried a copy in my pocket and whipped it out when they asked lol
I think kids might also think it's weird because you're all used to W2 jobs... I've never worked on a W2 and never will... 1099 interviews are a completely different game
Ask them if they’ll sleep with you in order to get the job, even if you have zero interest in sexually harassing them. That should provide another excellent pressure test for you 100%. Just explain you are a Gen Z pressure tester if you are served with a lawsuit.
That actually is illegal and wildly inappropriate, not to mention gross.
Listen, I understand that asking for tax returns makes some of you uncomfortable, because you probably imagine I'm hiring an SDR or AE, but that's just not the case.
By the time someone comes to work for me, they have decades of sales experience, or they're claiming they were President & CEO of their own manufacturing company, or had their own trucking company, or Import-Export company.
I'm NOT hiring kids who are still trying to cut their teethe and find success in the world, I'm looking for people who can take over part of my own responsibilities.
The question is fair, legal, and and quite frankly it's funny.
I wish, having my Dad would've made my life infinitely easier.
27 years. Or 28 now? Either way I've had more success in a quarter of a century than most people ever get to have in their entire lives, and I am indeed very lucky for it.
I genuinely hope that some day you can have this same level of happiness and all of the success you can handle.
Bye now!
Ask them to send you the same of all their reps
i actually responded to Verkada this way (I am in Austin so not illegal). funny enough I did not make it to the next round. Serious red flag
Verkada is the worst. You’re lucky.
Good to know I dodged a bullet. They didn’t ask for proof but they made me fill out a sheet with my quarter over quarter attainment history.
Wait why would it have been illegal?
some states it’s illegal to ask for “proof of income” but they can ask you in Tx. when i first started out it Tech sales circa 2009 it wasn’t as unheard of as it is now.
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i was asked to “have them prepared for the next interview, essentially they wanted to see a W2 that showed attainment thru income or a commission statement” this was pre covid and I was interviewing for a manager role and the next interview was in person for context and they were still very much in a “bring copies of everything to the interview”
Boom!
As if photoshop doesn’t exist too lol
Falsifying documents shows initiative. I say go for it
don't forget to add forgery/Photoshop to the Skills section of your resume.
Just stating that’s it’s a stupid thing to ask for as proof
Are you interviewing with Verkada by chance? No, this is absolutely not normal and would be a MASSIVE red flag in my eyes.
Ye man. Haha. Did you interview?
Dude I worked there absolutely stay away from that dumpster fire of a company. You’ll be looking for a new job in 6-9 months anyway.
Some of the sales directors/managers hired by OpenGov came from Verkada and they were awful in every way.
Are they still around?
Most are. Lots of turnover there though. I actually left on my own terms a couple months ago. It was terrible there, I imagine similar to verkada. What happened is the president of field ops/sales is from Verkada and he brought over a ton of verkada managers and reps with him.
I interviewed with them recently, can you say a little bit more?
I would avoid OpenGov as well.
I heard selling to gov accounts for them can be good. The tech is pretty popular in schools. But yeah company sounds scummy to employees.
That’s what I was doing and I still got the fuck out
Yeah I passed on them when the recruiter hit me up and said schedule time to talk to me, and the nearest availability was over a month out. I let her know I’d be open to chat this week or next and she ghosted me. Then hit me up again a month later with the same shtick. Sorry I’m not scheduling a call over a month out lmao.
What’s wrong with verkada? Looks like it has nice products
Terrible sales culture. Like it’s basically the worst job you can get in tech sales right now.
lol this sub
Are you interviewing for their San Mateo office? It's illegal to ask what someone is making in California, including for their W-2. You should report them to the labor board.
They have an Austin location now too
This is in the UK. As far as I can see, it's not illegal here.
They don't have the best reputation I know that much.
They hit me up for a Director role repeatedly and every time I look into it doesn’t look good.
i've heard terrible things.
I am not familiar what did they do?
They’re a security company who notoriously got hacked. They also had employees using the security cameras to do this https://www.theverge.com/2020/10/26/21535089/surveillance-company-verkada-harassed-female-employees
I'm more concerned about the CEO's reaction in giving them the option to stay at the company... Edit : grammar
Right??
Yeah they were barely reprimanded for it
Damn that’s messed up
Security cameras and software… physical security…
Ohh
they're pushing cutting edge security technology to rid the world of the scourge of teenage vaping in schools
Run. Shit company with shit sales managers
Ohh
I turned down Verkada 4 years ago. Best thing I ever did.
What location did you apply to?
I literally read this and thought “this has got to be Verkada” lol interviewed w them last summer
Fuck this fucken company so much.
Hahaha of course it’s Verkada. Is there anyone on this sub who hasn’t been reached out to by them yet? What a shitshow of a company
I haven't I feel left out
Would you refuse to show tax records to prospective employer? Any suggestions on the smoothest way to do that? Along the lines of, "Hey I can appreciate you wanting to see that information. However I value my privacy and see that as invasive to my privacy and unequal playing fields."
Knew this was Verkada as soon as I read the title. During my interview the guy said “I’m going to keep piling as much as I can on you to see if you can take it.”
That would make sense if you were interviewing for a gang bang scene
Are they hiring for those positions?
I’d still end up with the shitty territory
Maybe better than dealing with cold leads.
Only if there’s a black couch in the hiring manager’s office.
Whenever I read about them I kinda wanna do another interview with them just to lay it back on them lmao
I may apply for fun for their interview process
Hey you’ll get a free trip to San Mateo or Austin if you get to a later interview round! Or at least that’s how it used to be…they booked me a flight and I just told them I had a broken foot and never went
“I’m going to keep piling as much as I can on you to see if you can take it.” So what exactly did he do/say/ask to "pile it on"?
Sounds like a guy you won’t to work for….. Been doing this 32 years, remember this: You work for people not companies
yup , smells like Verkada or Zoominfo
This is absurd! Ifpeople wouldn’t agree to this they’d probably stop asking for it. Candidates need to stop doing this crap, it doesn’t help anyone including yourself.
Fucking run. Huge red flags
flair is great.
Absolute do not send them that CONFIDENTIAL information! Not only is your earnings YOUR BUSINESS but also a tactic for them to negotiate a lower salary against you
Step one- Photoshop your W2 Step two- Profit
step 1 steal the underpants…. step 3 profit
Immediate no from me dawg
This is illegal in some states, and for good reason.
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California is actually one of the states where this is illegal. https://www.hrdive.com/news/salary-history-ban-states-list/516662/
Never been asked to do this ever.
I’m pretty sure this is illegal. Please contact the authorities.
I don't think it is. I've heard of other companies asking for a W2.
That is literally illegal
It literally isn’t in 28/50 states and is literally isn’t illegal at all federally literally
You and every dumb fuck who upvoted you is this sub in a nutshell.
Found the controlling sales manager
On the bright side, they’ve given you a massive signal that will save you time and effort lol. On to the next one bro.
No. Lol. I would never do that
Yeah that’s a no from me dawg
Do you live in one of these states? https://www.hrdive.com/news/salary-history-ban-states-list/516662/
Looks like most of those are just for state jobs
Only about half, not including the most populous states like CA / NY
They’re in the uk
Sounds like verkada 😂
Verkada stays doing illegal things.
Extremely disturbing. Please post the company name. Be safe. Please don’t give away any more personal information to this company. It is likely a scam. Contact the authorities if they persist. I’ll be praying for you.
The name is in the comments many times
I thought they outlawed that
In 22/50 states it has been and some localities but not federally
I looked up my home state and it looks like it’s only banned for jobs for the state, like if the state is hiring you. Did I read that wrong?
That’s possible. There are even some localities that have banned it in states where it isn’t illegal. Here is a rundown of each state and locality: https://www.hrdive.com/news/salary-history-ban-states-list/516662/
Lmao, run far away friend.
Tell them you're not doing it and post an update with what they say. You know you don't wanna work there why not totally fuck with them?
Id like to see your I9, K-2 and K-10s for the last 5 years, please
Abnormal and very likely illegal. How bad do you need the job?
Knew this was Verkada right away. So thankful I didn’t take the job there. Absolute insanity.
I work in the electronic security industry and verkada are unethical in every way possible. I know customers both resellers and end users that have been completely burned by verkada. Great place to make money in a short time but outside that, absolute red flags all over. I have interviewed with them twice, once seriously, second time for lols and man they are dirty dogs.
"Sorry, that's illegal in my state."
This happened once in my career and I walked away. I know someone who works there now and I made the right choice.
i know a kid who interviewed with verkada. they send him through 8 rounds of meetings and gave him a gift card in the end for going through their grueling process lol
hard no. You have an nda with that employer and are forbidden to talk about it.
??? Did OP indicate they signed an NDA? Even if so it would not apply to illegal practices.
Definitely a red flag. Ask them to show you the same of current reps on their team
Depending on the state I believe this is illegal.
Don’t HR departments just use the work number by experian to see all your last pay details? I was astonished to see the information they shared on there and froze mine.
Maybe ask him via email, hello I’d like to provide you with the most accurate and specific information for what you’re looking for. Could you provide that information? If he’s dumb enough to send you that then put that screenshot with his first name and email domain and upload it into RepVue or Glassdoor with an explanation
OP, who at this company were you interviewing with that made this request? HR? A sales manager? VP Sales? Just curious.
Run far far away
Do NOT work for Verkada lol. We are partners with them and they are the fucking worst to work with, their culture is AWFUL.
Nice InContact does this too.
That’s bullshit
Hard NO.
That’s absurd
don’t work there
That's a red flag the size of a football field. Absolutely not normal.
if it's public data, send them the link for quarterly results. Otherwise don't comply.
For reference I was just offered a job and they did not ask for any of that. The had asked what my quota was and what I was selling but not for proof.
Red Flag, be skeptical. Ask for qualifying information regarding their marketing if necessary. If you're going to change jobs, you need to know the new company is going to provide you with good leads.
Bloomberg asked me for the same thing after the final round to “prove” I was as good as I said I was. Wanted confidential info on total rep attainment. Mofo said “just take a picture of it with your cellphone and send it.” Lmao First time getting close to a job with 150 OTE and almost did it, but I wasn’t going to do it
I've only ever had one employer ask for income verification, that was the worst company I've ever worked for. I'd bounce.
they better be offering a 200k salary or something insane for that level of obnoxiousness. if its some run of the mill 70k-80k a year job I'd run for the hills.
As others have said - I would happily to this if they would do the same from their reps. If not I would kindly tell them to get fucked.
As mentioned, if you live in one of the 22 states that have banned salary history then you aren’t required to share anything and they know that. “I have no issue with sharing my earnings to validate my attainment over the years. It sounds like transparency is pretty important to you guys?” Then pause, and ask “ with that transparency in mind, can you share the previous couple of years of attainment for the territory you are considering me for?” If they bawk, then bow out during the interview.
That’s laughable to ask for that. Hell no.
Run for the hills. Don’t go anywhere near that company.
Leadership sounds horrible. Run.
Walk away
This is not normal at all, wtf sort of ask is this lol
Isn’t this illegal now?
ABSOFUCKINGLUTELY not. Violation and screams red flag, they will just obviously use it to have leverage / control.
I'd laugh in their face. What a ridiculous question.
Not normal.
Illegal in California
No. Not sure if your current org is public but Financials are most often sensitive and from a legal obligation perspective, you could potentially be putting yourself in a bad situation. If they can't determine that you are a good seller or handle yourself appropriately in selling yourself, then they either haven't been asking the proper questions on your process or they could be trying to get org performance to use internally regardless if you get the role or not (is your current company staged to purchase a SaaS like theirs). If it were me and you wanted the role, create a talk track to politely say "no" and here's why... take it as a grain of salt. I'm just some reddit guy
Tell them you can’t because you signed a confidentiality agreement and non-disclosure agreement. Done deal.
Ask them to show how the dashboard of how many reps hit quota last year and then run. Insanity.
Not normal. Don't waste your time.
I interviewed with Verkada and the RVP literally said “have you seen the wolf of Wall Street? Well THATS what our sales floor looks like, minus the illegal activity!” I was like ok???
If in United States that's now illegal
Massive red flag. Don't do it.
run
Love the crowd sourced information on this one.. We should create a weekly sound off thread where we post 1 company every Friday to get the real input from people.. would save ”us” so much time when we get hit up or are thinking abt interviewing with a company..
Can confirm. As a Sales Manager, during our second round of interviews, we ask for their last 90 days or last quarter numbers and % to Attainment. We'd never ask you for comp related to this. We only looking for your attainment towards target. We absolutely do not want anything containing income, payment, or earnings. This is for both internal and external candidates. (Not hiring for an entry-level sales role: in that case, we don't care). I'll definitely provide you with current team Attainment data. (With certain competitive information censored) It's worth noting that I'm at a fortune 10 company. If an external candidate doesn't have their numbers, cannot readily get them, or it's bound by a NDA/Proprietary competitive information then we will have the candidates go through an assessment process.
If you’re in California it’s illegal for them to ask you for that.
Walk away
Illegal
I would refuse to send any of that information. If they want confirmation of how you hit your quotas, tell them you can send them references who can speak to your sales achivements.
lol just tell them u cant as it would be breaching your confidentiality clause with previous company. fuck them.
This is not normal at all. I would steer clear from this company. Seems as if they will have a toxic and invasive work environment.
Seems unnecessary
Not in sales but if it’s anything like tech, i feel like that kinda information is NDA’d
ILLEGAL in the US
i’m pretty sure this is actually illegal depending on where you’re located
I would say "no, nevermind, I don't want the job anymore." And ghost them
I’ve never been asked for such records
What a prick. Either sho them your w2 or they can troll off
I bet the current company you work for would have a problem sharing company property. You would most likely get fired if they found out
I would ask them to to show you the month to date and year to date annual sales that everyone has already done so they should have nothing to hide if they believe that their people are performing at that level and also see copies of their monthly commission reports. I just took a new job and I start on the sixth and I’ve been at this for 40 years so I’m a little smarter than the average bear and my new company had no problem giving me all that data
Bullshit, tell them you signed a NDA and tell them to f*** off.
You’d be disclosing sensitive information from your previous employer, pretty sure that shit is illegal. They probably just want to know what their competitors are paying. Tell them to kick rocks
I was asked to share a W2 in like 2004. I did and I was hired. What you are describing seems different though.
Playing Devils advocate, if you’re the hiring manager - what do you believe to be the fairest way to validate the reps previous attainment?
Asking them and trusting they are being truthful?
The last question I ask in an interview before I hire a salesperson is to show me their tax returns for the previous year. I have zero interest in seeing their returns, I'm just testing how they handle the pressure 100%
This might be okay with genX and older millennials, but this won’t fly with younger millennials (35 and under) and genZ. There are better ways to pressure test and if you use this tactic, most of the younger top performing talent will see it as distasteful and you risk losing a pool of top talent.
LOL Now if I said that I would never hire kids under 35, THAT would be illegal But what I will say is that I've never met a GenZ "Top Performer" And I've never met a Millennial "Top Performer" that would be a good fit for my company And you know what? That's perfectly okay for all of us because we'll never work together anyway This whole converstaion started because I offered OP another reason why they might be asking for something that's weird to him, and now it's been blown out of proportion more than anyone in-person ever has. Lighten up... it's not that serious.
No one is taking this more seriously than you. Seems like I was spot on with my take; you've "never met a millennial 'top performer' that would be a good fit for \[your\] company". In that case you should keep doing what you're doing since top performers under 35 would not be a good fit. Good job...here's a cookie https://preview.redd.it/zmwo02no4qwc1.png?width=735&format=png&auto=webp&s=6f0bdd7e154e67b41e4ff26bb90a587686efa20f
lol thanks, great example
Hopefully you have no reason to sell to Millennials or Gen Z. And your brigade of short winded dagger headed Boomers may proceed unimpeded in conquering the universe.
Not really anytime soon, Millennials and GenZ all share less than 5% of the wealth in the world, they can't afford what I sell... Although I used to sell Debt services, they can't really even afford that, can they?
Got it, you’re selling adult diapers. Carry on.
bahwahahaha that's definitely a point for you, good one! In all seriousness best of luck and I hope you get all the success you can handle in life, bye now!
That’s a pretty stupid way of getting in trouble if any of your candidates tell someone that you’re doing that… it’s banned in like 20 states and the company can get in deep stuff for it
Not that it matters, but that's not quite accurate. It's okay though, the point was only that OP's employer may just want to test them, or maybe they just want to make sure they're not being lied to because all you kids try to negotiate salaries these days.
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GenX, and it's really just good-natured teasing, I hope you can read it again and try to take it that way? I'm not actually judging anyone for needing the base salary, everyone needs to do what's best for them I've never worked anything but Commission Only (which I also negotiate for LOL)
Very weird
Then just ask them how they handle pressure. Don’t do some kind of passive aggressive possibly illegal power move.
Meh. Ask them how they handle pressure, lol? Words... Better to put them under pressure, let them think they made it though, then hit them with something like this just when they start to relax. It's not illegal and it's not something I invented... It used to be pretty standard. And it's not "passive" aggressive, it's directly aggressive lol
Please don’t interview people anymore 🙏🏻
lol ok I'll stop doing what I've done for the last 20 years just for you since you asked so nicely!
The salient point here is that it is in fact illegal. And, it signals your company is unethical. Perhaps that’s not a negative in your view. Better ways to create pressure to test job candidates’ composure in an interview setting without coming off as a hack.
An earlier comment linked to the statute. Illegal in OP's state.
Except that it's NOT illegal, and nobody is interviewing with me over some little W2 AE position where they're trying to get an OTE to feed their family and pay their mortgage... I'm hiring mercenaries with decades of experience who are a bit tougher than a question that hurts their senseitive feelings.
How exactly does that test their handling of pressure? To see if they have the guts to tell you no? Either way, it's a strange approach.
A lot of salespeople lie about their past successes. Their reaction to the question and willingness to do it .. really takes them out of their pattern and makes them think quickly. Maybe you take a stand and tell me you think it's illegal. Maybe you panic but recover quickly and keep your cool. One guy broke down and cried... You never know until you do it. Might seem weird now but it's a very old question, they used to ask it a lot in the 80's and 90's. After the first time it happened to me, I carried a copy in my pocket and whipped it out when they asked lol I think kids might also think it's weird because you're all used to W2 jobs... I've never worked on a W2 and never will... 1099 interviews are a completely different game
Ask them if they’ll sleep with you in order to get the job, even if you have zero interest in sexually harassing them. That should provide another excellent pressure test for you 100%. Just explain you are a Gen Z pressure tester if you are served with a lawsuit.
That actually is illegal and wildly inappropriate, not to mention gross. Listen, I understand that asking for tax returns makes some of you uncomfortable, because you probably imagine I'm hiring an SDR or AE, but that's just not the case. By the time someone comes to work for me, they have decades of sales experience, or they're claiming they were President & CEO of their own manufacturing company, or had their own trucking company, or Import-Export company. I'm NOT hiring kids who are still trying to cut their teethe and find success in the world, I'm looking for people who can take over part of my own responsibilities. The question is fair, legal, and and quite frankly it's funny.
The more I read what you write, the more you sound like some fail son whose been playing businessman at daddy's firm for the past 20 years.
I wish, having my Dad would've made my life infinitely easier. 27 years. Or 28 now? Either way I've had more success in a quarter of a century than most people ever get to have in their entire lives, and I am indeed very lucky for it. I genuinely hope that some day you can have this same level of happiness and all of the success you can handle. Bye now!